Utica College Pioneers 2012-13 Season (Part Two)

[The Real Georgia Peach]

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Utica, the new Castleton.

[UCBadger]

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No, only in Fishman's eyes.

[1Dukester]

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The USCHO Poll got it right. Utica was placed probably about where they belonged. You can't win on hype. You have to show up.

[norm1909]

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No, only in Fishman's eyes.

Well you should have seen the one that got away

[joecct]

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Are we really arguing over team's rankings in the final poll?

News flash...Eau Claire won and has the hardware. Nothing else matters after that.

+1

[93GreatLaker]

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Are we really arguing over team's rankings in the final poll?

News flash...Eau Claire won and has the hardware. Nothing else matters after that.

These rankings mean a lot to teams that have never achieved this type of success.

http://www.ucpioneers.com/news/2013/...319135401.aspx

[norm1909]

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These rankings mean a lot to teams that have never achieved this type of success.

http://www.ucpioneers.com/news/2013/...319135401.aspx

This is probably true, with 21 of the 36 SUNYAC Men's Ice Hockey Championships (Oswego has 9, Fredonia & Geneseo 3, and Potsdam 1 - note that in 1981-82, Oswego & Plattsburgh were co-champions) at at least for me, there is no mystic to them. Now wanting to keep watching hockey, and for bragging rights, the championships are still the big prize.

[Fishman'81]

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Are we really arguing over team's rankings in the final poll?

News flash...Eau Claire won and has the hardware. Nothing else matters after that.

I wasn't referring to the completely meaningless (and often ludicrous) USCHO poll; I don't even bother to read it anymore. Nor was I referring to any other beauty-contest or even any published metric... I was merely opining re: how the East shook-out, IMO, after all the data was in. Just talking hockey, after the fact.

A championship trophy in their arena's lobby doesn't necessarily mean that a team had the best body of work over the course of a season, but I think that Eau Claire wins every comparison in '12/'13. I never argued against that.

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

I wasn't referring to the completely meaningless (and often ludicrous) USCHO poll; I don't even bother to read it anymore. Nor was I referring to any other beauty-contest or even any published metric... I was merely opining re: how the East shook-out, IMO, after all the data was in. Just talking hockey, after the fact.

And yet to declare that a team had a better body of work than any other work, you must be, by definition, using SOME metric to arrive at that conclusion. So, as you disregard everyone else's metrics as irrational or biased, you are being challenged to prove that your metric is any less so. Simple as that.

As for your view on the significance of the national championship, here's what I choose to view as an important ranking metric: All teams, despite varying levels of confidence that they can do it, enter the season with the sole goal of winning the national Championship at season's end. In that regard, based on their completion of that goal, UWEC comes in #1, clearly, and the other 72 (or so) teams all come in tied for last place. That includes oz AND utica.

[Fishman'81]

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I'm pretty sure that I just said that Eau Claire won it on the ice, and off it.

To refer to the Eastern teams, there's just a little more comparative data to look at lately, don't you agree?

[sshablak]

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These rankings mean a lot to teams that have never achieved this type of success.

http://www.ucpioneers.com/news/2013/...319135401.aspx

Utica SMOKED Ozz...stop being so bitter or I'll turn into another "fishman" We don't need that now, do we ? BTW 6-0 after TWO periods....UC then played their fourth and fifth lines in the third. I even suited up !!!!!

[norm1909]

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Cortland SMOKED Utica...stop being so giddy or I'll turn into another "fishman" We don't need that now, do we ? BTW, Cortland finished last in their conference !!!!!

fyp

[93GreatLaker]

Utica SMOKED Ozz...stop being so bitter or I'll turn into another "fishman" We don't need that now, do we ? BTW 6-0 after TWO periods....UC then played their fourth and fifth lines in the third. I even suited up !!!!!

They sure did smoke Oz. Were you still suited up when the Cortland game came around .

In all seriousness, my previous post was not a slam, just an observation that season end rankings do mean something to teams/athletic depts/fans that do not normally reach that level. Oswego was inclusive in that discussion in the early 2000's as it had been a long time in between NC appearances. I, like you and most everyone else on here am done with the debate over who was best in the East. Many teams have a lot to be proud of (conference championships, highest rankings, NCAA's, etc) but ultimately all fell short of the end prize.

[Bennycheck]

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A woman runs into an old friend with her new baby in tow. Her friend says "what a beautiful baby you have". The woman says "this is nothing, you should see the pictures we have".

[sshablak]

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I was just bored...but...I am tired of the Ozz posters comin on here and slamming UC.(Norm too ). I have been on the Ozz sites wishing well, saying great game, good luck etc. Never a bad word unless provoked, not like our one famous fish. Sorry !