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NDSUSiouxFan
03-03-2013, 07:52 PM
I just spent some time trying to figure out which places every team in the WCHA can finish in the regular season standings (for purposes of playoff seedings).

If anyone is interested:

<img src="http://loveofhockey.areavoices.com/files/2013/03/WCHAPotentialSpots1.png">

Also, if you notice any placings that aren't correct, please let me know. Everything is so tight right now in the WCHA that I very easily could've messed some things up.

HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
03-03-2013, 07:56 PM
I just spent some time trying to figure out which places every team in the WCHA can finish in the regular season standings.

If anyone is interested:

<img src="http://loveofhockey.areavoices.com/files/2013/03/WCHAPotentialSpots.png">

Also, if you notice any placings that aren't correct, please let me know. Everything is so tight right now in the WCHA that I very easily could've messed some things up.

Minnesota State can finish in 1st.

NDSUSiouxFan
03-03-2013, 08:01 PM
Minnesota State can finish in 1st.

The most points MSU can get is 35. The least points SCSU can get is also 35. However, SCSU owns the tiebreaker over MSU by going 2-0-0 against them this season.

NDSUSiouxFan
03-03-2013, 08:11 PM
I missed one. Minnesota can finish 7th, though it's incredibly unlikely.

state of hockey
03-03-2013, 08:22 PM
The most points MSU can get is 35. The least points SCSU can get is also 35. However, SCSU owns the tiebreaker over MSU by going 2-0-0 against them this season.

Tie breakers are merely for playoff seeding. The MacNaughton is shared between teams tied in points.

NDSUSiouxFan
03-03-2013, 08:26 PM
Tie breakers are merely for playoff seeding. The MacNaughton is shared between teams tied in points.

Okay, thanks. I guess when I created this, I did it for my blog for the intention of playoff seeding, not the MacNaughton Cup. I guess I didn't realize that was an important distinction to make when posting it here.

SCSU Euro
03-03-2013, 08:28 PM
MTU can finish 11th. UMD can finish 10th or 11th.


Tie breakers are merely for playoff seeding. The MacNaughton is shared between teams tied in points.

I think this is supposed to just be about seeding. MSUM can get a share of the MacNaughton but I don't think they can finish as the one-seed (don't figure they can since they'd lose a UW-SCSU-MSU-M 3-way tie and a 4-way tie with MN mixed in).

NDSUSiouxFan
03-03-2013, 08:30 PM
Crap, I'm really messed up with 8th-11th.

Pump It Up
03-03-2013, 08:41 PM
http://www.playoffstatus.com/wchahockey/wchastandings.html

NDSUSiouxFan
03-03-2013, 08:44 PM
http://www.playoffstatus.com/wchahockey/wchastandings.html

Thanks! Where were you a couple hours ago when I was making this table? Haha, but at least now I can verify if it's correct.

NDSUSiouxFan
03-03-2013, 08:54 PM
http://www.playoffstatus.com/wchahockey/wchastandings.html

That site shows that Denver can take third. How?

If Denver wins out, they'd have 33 points. Denver could not beat St. Cloud.

If North Dakota would lose out, Denver would lose the tiebreaker.

If Minnesota would lose out, they would be tied in at 33 points. They would be tied in the head-to-head and tied in conference wins. The four-game series tiebreaker would not apply. Thus, the winning margin tiebreaker would be used. Minnesota currently sits at a +24, while Denver is even. So I suppose technically, Denver could still beat Minnesota, but let's be realistic.

Steve_MN
03-05-2013, 11:34 AM
That site shows that Denver can take third. How?

If Denver wins out, they'd have 33 points. Denver could not beat St. Cloud.

If North Dakota would lose out, Denver would lose the tiebreaker.

If Minnesota would lose out, they would be tied in at 33 points. They would be tied in the head-to-head and tied in conference wins. The four-game series tiebreaker would not apply. Thus, the winning margin tiebreaker would be used. Minnesota currently sits at a +24, while Denver is even. So I suppose technically, Denver could still beat Minnesota, but let's be realistic.

This is also the only way Minnesota can drop as low as 7th would be Denver getting their goal differential up by more than 20 points this weekend with MN getting swept. Theoretically possible? Yes. But, like you say, let's be realistic.

dggoddard
03-05-2013, 01:09 PM
This is also the only way Minnesota can drop as low as 7th would be Denver getting their goal differential up by more than 20 points this weekend with MN getting swept. Theoretically possible? Yes. But, like you say, let's be realistic.DU is playing UAA, lets not rule a 24 goal weekend. :-)

And if Minnesota lost twice they'd only need to get 22, maybe less.

Great opportunity for Gwozdecky to open up the offense and see what the boyz can do.

Would be funny to see DU win 12 zip on Friday and then leading 9-1 on Sunday, pull the goalie with five minutes to play to try and get two goals.

scsutommyboy
03-05-2013, 01:14 PM
DU is playing UAA, lets not rule a 20 weekend. :-)

And if Minnesota lost twice they'd only need to get 18, maybe less.

Great opportunity for Gwozdecky to open up the offense and see what the boyz can do.

that would probably get Shyiak fired.......:D

dggoddard
03-05-2013, 01:16 PM
that would probably get Shyiak fired.......:DAnd of course Donald would take all the credit. :-)

Steve_MN
03-06-2013, 10:23 AM
DU is playing UAA, lets not rule a 20 weekend. :-)

And if Minnesota lost twice they'd only need to get 18, maybe less.

Great opportunity for Gwozdecky to open up the offense and see what the boyz can do.

Would be funny to see DU win 10 zip on Friday and then leading 7-1 on Sunday, pull the goalie with five minutes to play to try and get two goals.

Well, right now, DU would need to make up 24 goals on the differential. With the theoretical discussion assuming MN losing two games, that brings it down to 22. What I don't know is what happens if the teams are still tied after that 4th tiebreaker (Goal differential in WCHA games). I'm guessing a coin-toss, but I don't know.

dggoddard
03-06-2013, 10:43 AM
Well, right now, DU would need to make up 24 goals on the differential. With the theoretical discussion assuming MN losing two games, that brings it down to 22. What I don't know is what happens if the teams are still tied after that 4th tiebreaker (Goal differential in WCHA games). I'm guessing a coin-toss, but I don't know.Pretty sure you're right. Its a coin toss.

WCHA Tie-Breaking Procedures (for playoff seeding purposes only)


At the conclusion of the regular season, teams will be ranked by the number

of points accumulated. If two teams are tied for first place, they will be

declared co-WCHA champions.

The first round of the WCHA’s post-season tournament will be a best-of-three

games format at the home site of the teams ranked higher in the final

regular season standings. All ten teams participate in the first round of the

tournament. First round playoff pairings will be: #1 rank vs #10 rank, #2 rank

vs #9 rank, #3 vs #8, #4 vs #7, 5# rank vs #6 rank.

Following the five first round series, the five winning teams will be reseeded

#1 thru #5 according to their standings in the final WCHA in-season

competition and will advance to the WCHA Final Five.

In the event that ties are encountered in the determination of WCHA

ranking or designation of home teams for playoff purposes, the following

procedures will be used in the order given to break the ties:

a) If two or more teams are tied, head-to-head competition during the

regular (conference) season will be used to break the tie.

b) If two or more teams are still tied after (a), the highest seed will go to the

team with the most WCHA (conference) wins during the regular season.

c) If two or more teams played a four-game series during the regular

season and the teams have the same win-loss records for those series and

the same number of WCHA wins, the team having the least number of goals

scored against it in the four-game series shall have the higher rank. If two or

more teams played a two-game series during the regular season, procede

to tie-breaker d).

d) If two or more teams are still tied after applying the provisions of (a),

(b) and (c), the team having the greatest ‘winning margin’ during the regular

season will have the higher rank. Winning margin = WCHA goals for during

the regular season minus WCHA goals against.

e) Games played against WCHA opponents in holiday tournaments will

not be counted in the determinations.

dggoddard
03-06-2013, 10:47 AM
Unbelievable that Sconnie could be the #1 or #7 seed.

Steve_MN
03-06-2013, 11:41 AM
Unbelievable that Sconnie could be the #1 or #7 seed.

And Minnesota is in the same position (at least technically). 1-6 being realistic results, with the theoretical possibility of 7th.

Almington
03-06-2013, 11:58 AM
Unbelievable that Sconnie could be the #1 or #7 seed.

The Conference champs could finish with as few as 35 points, the 7th seed could have as many as 33. Their are no elite teams in the WCHA this season, just a whole pile of good to very good teams (and Wisconsin which is marginally above average).