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Fighting Sioux 23
03-06-2013, 11:35 AM
Harvard going back to the future to play at the X.

Well, they are playing in the West Regional...and the players and coaches seem to have a lot of fond memories about St. Paul. :)

HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
03-06-2013, 11:46 AM
I would venture to guess that 99.2% of that crowd will be cheering for Boston College...although it is strange to see two eastern teams duking it out in St. Paul. Jason Moy would be having a stroke.

Fighting Sioux 23
03-06-2013, 11:49 AM
I would venture to guess that 99.2% of that crowd will be cheering for Boston College...although it is strange to see two eastern teams duking it out in St. Paul. Jason Moy would be having a stroke.

All the venues were sold out well in advance of the announcement of the bracket. Tickets selling on Stubbhut for anywhere from $500-600 for SRO, and if you want to sit in the lower bowl, you better be prepared to drop $3-4k/ticket. The excitement is overwhelming! :p:D:D

buoldtimer
03-06-2013, 12:52 PM
Harvard going back to the future to play at the X.

But Harvard didn't win their NC at the "X". Wasn't the game played at the old St Paul Arena, with the transparent boards?

Fighting Sioux 23
03-06-2013, 01:52 PM
But Harvard didn't win their NC at the "X". Wasn't the game played at the old St Paul Arena, with the transparent boards?

St. Paul Civic Center, and yes...the transparent boards...glad that didn't catch on. :p

Fighting Sioux 23
03-06-2013, 01:56 PM
#35 - 1988-1989 Harvard Crimson vs. #94 - 2006-2007 Boston College Eagles
March 6, 2013
Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN

Game Update Post but feel free to chime in during the game

3rd Period:
- Puck has dropped for the third period here at the X!
- Kevin Sneddon makes a tremendous defensive play. Boyle and Gerbe were coming in on a 2x1 after a turnover in the neutral zone, and Sneddon gives up his body to stop Gerbe's pass to Boyle. A lot of neutral zone play early on, but Sneddon has been playing a tremendous game from the blue line. 17:00 left in the 3rd.
- Harvard playing tremendous defense right now. BC has had the majority of the puck possession, but Harvard has stepped up and forced BC to try to outmatch them physically. So far, that hasn't happened. Under 14:00 left in the 3rd.
- BC starting to win some battles along the boards and generate some opportunities, but nothing of substance yet. 12:00 left in the 3rd.
- BC draws a penalty! BC continued to heap on pressure, and Harvard handled it until Kevan Melrose gets called for holding Matt Lombardi behind the Harvard net. 10:44 left in the 3rd.
- Nathan Gerbe Scores!!! Boyle wins an offensive zone draw, and the puck goes to Gerbe who skates over to the slot, and wrists one top shelf that beats Roy high to the blocker side. We have a Tie Game!!
- Motherwell nearly gives BC the lead!! BC is dominating play right now, and Motherwell takes a feed from below the near circle, and rips a slapshot that goes just high. All BC right now. 9:00 left in the 3rd.
- Sneddon forced to ice the puck, and the Crimson look absolutely gassed. Coach Cleary is calling his timeout to try to regroup his team. 7:00 left in the 3rd.
- Harvard regaining a little bit of composure and momentum late in the third, as the MacDonald-Ciavaglia-Young trio nearly teamed up for another goal when they came in on a 3x2, but Young's pass to MacDonald was broken up by Andrew Orpik, and we're still even at 3 with 4:30 left in the 3rd.
- Boyle with another great chance! This time, Motherwell fired a slapper that was deflected in front of Roy, and Boyle got the puck to his stick, and fired a wrister, but Roy was up to the task with a brilliant glove save. Under 3:00 left in the 3rd.
- Lane MacDonald Scores!!! The Hobey winner came in with the puck on a 2x1 with Ciavaglia, and fed Ciavaglia at the bottom of the far circle. Ciavaglia then faked a wrister, sending Carl Sneep sliding by Schneider, and fed a beautiful pass over to MacDonald, who tapped the puck into the open net to give Harvard the go-ahead goal with just 2:08 left in the 3rd!
- BC trying to mount a rally, and they have pulled Schneider with just over 1 minute left in the 3rd.
- Lane MacDonald Scores!! The Hobey winner gets the hattrick. As BC was mounting pressure with the extra attacker, Sneddon made a tremendous block on a wrister from the slot by Boyle. The puck bounced out of the zone, and C.J. Young raced to the puck. All by himself, Young waited for MacDonald to catch up with him, and let MacDonald tap it in for the hattrick. Harvard up 5-3 now with just 31 seconds left!
- That's it! Harvard wins, and advances to the Round of 64 beating BC 5-3 here in St. Paul.
- Shots on Goal in the 3rd: Boston College - 13 (35 total), Harvard - 11 (38 total)

mookie1995
03-06-2013, 02:46 PM
H-A-R
H-A-R
Vee Vee Vee

V-A-R
V-A-R
Dee Dee Dee

buoldtimer
03-06-2013, 02:52 PM
One of the best games I've seen this season.

sterlippo1
03-06-2013, 02:55 PM
It's all Boyle's fault!
It's all Boyle's fault!
It's all Boyle's fault!

JimmyC67
03-06-2013, 11:52 PM
Pfft...

When '77 Badger's All American goalie Julian Barretta stones a 2-0 break away, flips it to All-American Craig Norwich who hits crossing All-American Mike Eaves, who in turn shoots a lazer up the ice to Freshman of the year, future two time All American, and All time WCHA first teamer, Mark Johnson streaking to the goal for the game winner in the final, I will gloat like crazy!...but wait!!! With the din of the crowd drowning out the whistles, Mike Meeker was called offside

Fighting Sioux 23
03-08-2013, 09:11 AM
The next game on tap is the #61 - 2003-2004 Maine vs. #68 - 1978-1979 Bowling Green matchup out of the Midwest Regional. The winner will move on to face the #4 seed 1986-1987 North Dakota squad. That game will likely be played tomorrow, but there is a chance that it gets delayed until Sunday.

FreshFish
03-08-2013, 11:03 AM
There seems to be disproportionately few teams from prior to 1960 on your top 100 list. Unless I overlooked one, I see five.

If top teams were distributed evenly across time, you'd expect perhaps a bit more than twice as many.

Do you really think that there just weren't as many good teams back then compared to since?

Fighting Sioux 23
03-08-2013, 12:02 PM
There seems to be disproportionately few teams from prior to 1960 on your top 100 list. Unless I overlooked one, I see five.

If top teams were distributed evenly across time, you'd expect perhaps a bit more than twice as many.

Do you really think that there just weren't as many good teams back then compared to since?

Well, I count 6 (7 if you count the '59-60 DU squad), and another 2 finished #101 ('54-55 CC) and #102 ('57-58 UND).

Others in the top 140:
#119 - '51-52 Michigan
#124 - '47-48 Michigan
#125 - '50-51 Michigan
#127 - '51-52 CC
#140 - '49-50 Michigan

Also, keep in mind that I ranked more teams from the '70s-present because more teams made the tournament. % wise, about 10% of the teams ranked came from 1960 or prior, and exactly 10% of them account for the top 140 (albeit a slightly smaller % of the top 100). I would say that is pretty proportionate. ;)

FreshFish
03-08-2013, 01:27 PM
keep in mind that I ranked more teams from the '70s-present because more teams made the tournament.

ah, that explains it then. Since only 4 teams made the tournament until 1977, you'd not be ranking teams other than the top 4 before then.


For some reason, I recall the fate of the baseball player George Sisler. He has the 2nd-highest MLB season batting average ever and he finished 2nd in the year he did it. The third-best team from before 1977 might not even have made the tournament at all that year if an even better team kept them from qualifying.


It looks like there were 596 tournament slots available from 1948 through 2012 inclusive, and teams from before 1977 accounted for 19% of those slots even though 44.6% of the tournaments took place before 1977.

Fighting Sioux 23
03-08-2013, 02:00 PM
ah, that explains it then. Since only 4 teams made the tournament until 1977, you'd not be ranking teams other than the top 4 before then.


For some reason, I recall the fate of the baseball player George Sisler. He has the 2nd-highest MLB season batting average ever and he finished 2nd in the year he did it. The third-best team from before 1977 might not even have made the tournament at all that year if an even better team kept them from qualifying.


It looks like there were 596 tournament slots available from 1948 through 2012 inclusive, and teams from before 1977 accounted for 19% of those slots even though 44.6% of the tournaments took place before 1977.

I believe the number is 533 tournament slots.

1948-1976 - 4 teams/season (116 total)
1977 - 5 teams (5 total)
1978 - 6 teams (6 total)
1979-1980 - 5 teams/season (10 total)
1981-1987 - 8 teams/season (56 total)
1988-2002 - 12 teams/season (180 total)
2003-2012 - 16 teams/season (160 total)

1948-2012 = 533 teams that made the NCAA Tournament.

I ranked each of those 533, plus 7 additional teams that did not make the NCAA Tournament. So, the tournaments from 1948-1976 accounted for 21.8% of all spots. 24 teams from that time period made the top 100. The tournament from 1977-1987 accounted for just under 15% of all spots. 19 teams from this time period made the tournament. The tournament from 1988-2002 accounted for just under 34% of all spots. 37 teams from this time period made the tournament. The biggest discrepancy is actually for the last decade. The tournament from 2003-2012 accounted for basically 30% of all spots, yet just 20 teams from this period made the top 100, and just 30 made the top 150.

IMO, and really beyond the scope of this thread, is that parity in the game of college hockey has allowed more teams to compete with and upset some of the "best" teams from the last decade. As a result, those teams weren't able to put up as many points as they maybe would have just a decade or two ago. The converse is that more teams make the tournament, and really shouldn't be thought of as "top 100" material. For example, if we look at the #1-12 seeds in the NCAA Tournament, they account for all of the top 100 teams from the decade. If we just count the top 12 for % wise, the decade should have about 22 teams in the top 100...so significantly closer to what would be expected.

Shirtless Guy
03-08-2013, 02:19 PM
ah, that explains it then. Since only 4 teams made the tournament until 1977, you'd not be ranking teams other than the top 4 before then.


For some reason, I recall the fate of the baseball player George Sisler. He has the 2nd-highest MLB season batting average ever and he finished 2nd in the year he did it. The third-best team from before 1977 might not even have made the tournament at all that year if an even better team kept them from qualifying.


It looks like there were 596 tournament slots available from 1948 through 2012 inclusive, and teams from before 1977 accounted for 19% of those slots even though 44.6% of the tournaments took place before 1977.One of the Michigan Tech fans said the 1970-71 Huskies were the best team he ever saw. They were 18-4 in the WCHA and won the regular season title. Apparently their loss to UND in the WCHA playoffs was on a questionable call and because of era, MTU did not make the NCAAs despite going 25-6-2 and going 15-0-0 at Home. maybe FS23 could run that 1970-71 team?

Fighting Sioux 23
03-08-2013, 02:27 PM
One of the Michigan Tech fans said the 1970-71 Huskies were the best team he ever saw. They were 18-4 in the WCHA and won the regular season title. Apparently their loss to UND in the WCHA playoffs was on a questionable call and because of era, MTU did not make the NCAAs despite going 25-6-2 and going 15-0-0 at Home. maybe FS23 could run that 1970-71 team?

Gladly. Give me some time to get everything I need to run it, and I'll let you (and everyone else on this thread) know where they stack up.

Fighting Sioux 23
03-08-2013, 02:38 PM
It appears Tech took their Media Guide down from their site. Their "archives" section is also a joke because their entire home schedule for the 1970-1971 season simply says "at Michigan Tech." Without their schedule (including results), I can't put them in my formula. If anyone has that information, please post a link or let me know where to find it. Thanks.

Shirtless Guy
03-08-2013, 02:54 PM
It appears Tech took their Media Guide down from their site. Their "archives" section is also a joke because their entire home schedule for the 1970-1971 season simply says "at Michigan Tech." Without their schedule (including results), I can't put them in my formula. If anyone has that information, please post a link or let me know where to find it. Thanks.check your email, I saved a pdf of the year by year results awhile ago for research on the Michigan Belt. Glad I never deleted it.

FreshFish
03-08-2013, 03:00 PM
I believe the number is 533 tournament slots. right, my bad. spreadsheet error. Teams from before 1960 would account for 9% of the slots.


IMO, and really beyond the scope of this thread, is that parity in the game of college hockey has allowed more teams to compete with and upset some of the "best" teams from the last decade. As a result, those teams weren't able to put up as many points as they maybe would have just a decade or two ago. The converse is that more teams make the tournament, and really shouldn't be thought of as "top 100" material. For example, if we look at the #1-12 seeds in the NCAA Tournament, they account for all of the top 100 teams from the decade. If we just count the top 12 for % wise, the decade should have about 22 teams in the top 100...so significantly closer to what would be expected.


It seems to me that in earlier days the best players probably went to fewer schools while today the best players are spread out across more schools. Perhaps that is equivalent to what you are saying, perhaps not.