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joecct
01-20-2013, 12:33 PM
Was a good discussion last week, let's see what we get this week. So who's #1 (specify poll)?? FWIW, here is my (almost like the real thing) RPI calculator. It differs from Prof's computer in that I do not count the D-II's (but include Canton)



This Last Name RPI
1 1 Norwich 0.6148
2 4 Bowdoin 0.6079
3 2 St. Norbert 0.6055
4 6 Utica 0.6048
5 3 Hobart 0.6021
6 5 Oswego 0.5979
7 7 Wisconsin-Eau Claire 0.5959
8 8 Adrian 0.5926
9 9 Babson 0.5827
10 10 Massachusetts-Boston 0.5726
11 14 Neumann 0.5716
12 12 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 0.5629
13 11 Manhattanville 0.5595
14 16 Amherst 0.5582
15 17 Plattsburgh 0.5575

admiral0417
01-20-2013, 01:07 PM
If I'm Plattsburgh, I'm thinking I'm better than at least half of the teams you have rated above them. UM-Boston??? Really?? How does Babson keep their spot losing to St. A's (DII game)?? Here's the new "common sense" poll from actually watching the teams play some games:

1. Norwich
2. St. Norbert
3. Utica
4. Oswego
5. Hobart
6. Bowdoin
7. Eau Claire
8. Amherst
9. Adrian
10. Plattsburgh
11. Neumann
12. Babson
13. Stevens Point
14. Geneseo
15. Manhattanville

joecct
01-20-2013, 01:23 PM
It's RPI (math), not a poll. And I quite clearly stated that I exclude games against non D-III competition -- as does the NCAA.

LakerEagleLover
01-20-2013, 01:32 PM
Who cares what the list looks like 2 through 15, but I think it would be fun - FUN - to have Utica #1 for a week and read the threads...don't you?:D

norm1909
01-20-2013, 01:50 PM
Who cares what the list looks like 2 through 15, but I think it would be fun - FUN - to have Utica #1 for a week and read the threads...don't you?:D

Are you saying Utica isn't #1? (http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/standings/ecacm3w)

VT bragging rights
01-20-2013, 02:01 PM
To me all the polls do is give the fans a chance for bragging rights. I could care less about the polls but certainly hope Norwich makes it Lake Placid. Would be nice for a rematch with St Norbert in the Finals so the Cadet Seniors could go out with a win the same way they did in their freshman year.;) St Norbert has had the better part the last two years in the semi finals.:(

joecct
01-20-2013, 02:04 PM
To me all the polls do is give the fans a chance for bragging rights. I could care less about the polls but certainly hope Norwich makes it Lake Placid. Would be nice for a rematch with St Norbert in the Finals so the Cadet Seniors could go out with a win the same way they did in their freshman year.;) St Norbert has had the better part the last two years in the semi finals.:(Read what Peter Langella wrote over on d3hockey (http://d3hockey.com/columns/a-players-perspective/12-13/121203-polls-matter) about polls from the players' POV.

bakdraft21
01-20-2013, 02:15 PM
Who cares what the list looks like 2 through 15, but I think it would be fun - FUN - to have Utica #1 for a week and read the threads...don't you?:D 10-4,Im sure all teams know how good utica is, but when that #1 goes on your back other teams take notice and ramp up their games for sure.

polarbearfan
01-20-2013, 02:33 PM
If I'm Plattsburgh, I'm thinking I'm better than at least half of the teams you have rated above them. UM-Boston??? Really?? How does Babson keep their spot losing to St. A's (DII game)?? Here's the new "common sense" poll from actually watching the teams play some games:

1. Norwich
2. St. Norbert
3. Utica
4. Oswego
5. Hobart
6. Bowdoin
7. Eau Claire
8. Amherst
9. Adrian
10. Plattsburgh
11. Neumann
12. Babson
13. Stevens Point
14. Geneseo
15. Manhattanville

Have you seen Bowdoin play or are you just assuming they aren't as good as their record and the computers would suggest?

admiral0417
01-20-2013, 03:23 PM
No, I think Bowdoin is a very good team. I have seen them play 4 or 5 times (2 Midd, 2 Williams and Tufts I think). Frankly, I think #6 is a pretty good rating. Further, I think every team ahead of them would have a similar record if they played Bowdoin's sked.

The only real impressive win was at Amherst.The two vs. Williams aren't bad either. I know they play the schedule they are given, blah, blah, blah....but OOC vs. Suffolk, Salve,UNE (2X) and Southern Maine (2X) is the weakest of any of the contenders you must admit.

I watch enough DIII hockey (yes, even the West) to form my opinion and don't put much emphasis on computer rankings.

VT bragging rights
01-20-2013, 03:47 PM
Read what Peter Langella wrote over on d3hockey (http://d3hockey.com/columns/a-players-perspective/12-13/121203-polls-matter) about polls from the players' POV.

Nice article by Peter. No question that rankings are very important to programs and players. I have been fortunate to live close enough and follow the Cadets since Norwich built Kreitzberg Arena. Their success certainly helps with recruiting and gives them an advantage.

polarbearfan
01-20-2013, 03:52 PM
Fair enough. It's tough to defend the OOC, no doubt about it. I actually was just curious because it seems like you were giving teams like Oswego and Norwich the benefit of the doubt wIth only 1 or 2 'good wins'. I would make an argument for Bowdoin to be ranked 1 or 2 this week but I really haven't seen some of those other teams play.

admiral0417
01-20-2013, 04:22 PM
I've seen Norwich's "A" game (1-0 vs. Platty) and they have the total package. Speed, depth, defense, goaltending, coaching, etc. They are as talented a team as there is. But you make a good point with their lack of "good wins". Same for Oswego. These are two teams I pay very close attention to and maybe it's time to start giving more credit to the new kids on the block. It's just that I consider at least Oswego's sked considerabally tougher and I doubt the Polar Bears would be 15-1-1 if they tried it out.

So, some of my opinions may be biased to the teams that are usually there. Benefit of the doubt as they say.I try not to let some of Utica's posters affect their ranking....but it's hard!!

PrezdeJohnson09
01-20-2013, 09:42 PM
Here is how I would vote 'em:

1. Bowdoin
2. Norwich
3. St. Norbert
4. Utica
5. Hobart
6. Oswego
7. Eau Claire
8. Adrian
9. Neumann
10. Manhattanville
11. Amherst
12. Babson
13. Plattsburgh
14. Williams
15. Geneseo

VermontfaninNY
01-20-2013, 11:32 PM
I think that Oswego is too high. They have one and a half good wins - Plymouth and Hobart. Plattsburgh is probably about right because they have also played a tough schedule and have given as good as they have gotten. I think you can say the same thing about Manhattanville as you can Oswego. They have lost to a lot of good teams, but the best team they have beaten all year is Wentworth.

NUProf
01-21-2013, 08:21 AM
Here is how I would vote 'em:

1. Bowdoin
2. Norwich
3. St. Norbert
4. Utica
5. Hobart
6. Oswego
7. Eau Claire
8. Adrian
9. Neumann
10. Manhattanville
11. Amherst
12. Babson
13. Plattsburgh
14. Williams
15. Geneseo

Data of interest (for computer rankings haters, I apologize)

Winning percentage of teams defeated (counting Middlebury 1.5 times for Bowdoin due to the tie the first time around), based on W-L-T records instead of averaging averages

UTC 0.569
NRW 0.521
BOW 0.475


OWP
UTC 0.559
NRW 0.540
BOW 0.478

Bowdoin's resume is really pretty weak - I threw Utica in there, because I figured somebody would ask.

admiral0417
01-21-2013, 08:36 AM
Here is how I would vote 'em:

1. Bowdoin
2. Norwich
3. St. Norbert
4. Utica
5. Hobart
6. Oswego
7. Eau Claire
8. Adrian
9. Neumann
10. Manhattanville
11. Amherst
12. Babson
13. Plattsburgh
14. Williams
15. Geneseo

Manhattanville ????????? Am I missing something? The Valiants have ZERO quality wins. None. Only team on your list that doesn't. And their record isn't that great either.

elbojpb
01-21-2013, 12:34 PM
January 21, 2013
Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Norwich (11) 14- 2-0 289 2
2 St. Norbert ( 5) 15- 3-1 275 1
3 Bowdoin ( 3) 15- 1-1 260 4
4 Oswego 15- 3-0 219 5
5 Hobart 14- 2-2 212 3
6 Wisconsin-Eau Claire ( 1) 14- 3-2 206 6
7 Adrian 14- 1-2 185 7
8 Utica 14- 3-0 182 8
9 Plattsburgh 12- 5-1 132 9
10 Amherst 10- 4-2 116 10
11 Manhattanville 11- 5-1 69 11
12 Williams 9- 4-2 51 12
13 Massachusetts-Boston 13- 3-1 42 15
14 Babson 10- 4-3 41 14
15 Milwaukee School of Engineering 11- 5-1 32 NR
15 Neumann 11- 4-2 32 NR
Others receiving votes: Wisconsin-Superior 17, Wisconsin-Stevens Point 13, Geneseo 12, Wisconsin-Stout 8, Castleton 4, Plymouth State 2, Trinity 1.


Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/#ixzz2IdWBchNo

norm1909
01-21-2013, 12:37 PM
What?? Utica stayed the same???

sshablak
01-21-2013, 12:38 PM
They didn't drop ???