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JDUBBS1280
01-17-2013, 12:24 PM
You're JDUMBS. JDUMBS. Due to the "ignore" list, most people here (including/especially your own fan base) don't know you exist. Gotta be embarrassing.:)

But you do :D

Tiggsy
01-17-2013, 12:26 PM
Using simple math...

122.626/192.042 = Michigan was at ~64% of North Dakota's level
64.039/135.339 = Holy Cross was at ~47% of Minnesota's level

Or...

192.042/122.626 = North Dakota was ~157% better than Michigan
135.339/64.039 = Minnesota was ~211% better than Holy Cross

Yes...i consider those significant differences

I assumed a linear relationship within the rankings.

Point differential between the two...
192.042-122.626 = 69.416
135.339-64.039=71.3

69.416/71.3= 97.36%
100-97.36 = 2.64% variation between the two games.

Simple math and that is not significant. It's all how you spin it. :)

willythekid
01-17-2013, 12:31 PM
You're right. Plus the whioux have been known to choke on a larger stage more often than we have such as frozen 4 games. So adding that to the ranking would be unfair against whioux. :D After last year we may be closing the gap but still a bit to catch up.

But the gophers have more frozen four appearances? And less national titles? How does that work? Guess you like to play the spin game too huh?

Gurtholfin
01-17-2013, 12:32 PM
Using simple math...

122.626/192.042 = Michigan was at ~64% of North Dakota's level
64.039/135.339 = Holy Cross was at ~47% of Minnesota's level

Or...

192.042/122.626 = North Dakota was ~57% better than Michigan
135.339/64.039 = Minnesota was ~111% better than Holy Cross

Yes...i consider those significant differences


Numbers, Schmumbers.

It's Holy Cross and Michigan.

Even in a down year, the level of talent that Michigan puts on the ice is going to be far, FAR superior to anything that Holy Cross can muster. And that wasn't a horrible year for them, was it?

It's an "Any Given Sunday" kinda thing when you talk about a program like Michigan. They're gonna be able to knock some people off based on who's on their roster.

Holy Cross should never have beaten that Minnesota team. Not 1 out of 10, not 1 out of 50.

The two losses are not comparable.

Fighting Sioux 23
01-17-2013, 12:32 PM
I assumed a linear relationship within the rankings.

Point differential between the two...
192.042-122.626 = 69.416
135.339-64.039=71.3

69.416/71.3= 97.36%
100-97.36 = 2.64% variation between the two games.

Simple math and that is not significant. It's all how you spin it. :)

For my rankings, a linear relationship is probably more valid using rank #.

137-21 = 116
358-106 = 252

116/252 = 46.03%
100-46.03 = 53.97%

Quite significant

Tiggsy
01-17-2013, 12:35 PM
But the gophers have more frozen four appearances? And less national titles? How does that work?

Bah, quit living so far in the past. You can look back one year and the current year.

Frozen 4 appearances, 1-0
McN Cup, 1-0
Final 5 title, 0-1
Add that with wins against top 5 teams this year and weeks spent at #1 in the poll. No contest.

Fighting Sioux 23
01-17-2013, 12:36 PM
Bah, quit living so far in the past. You can look back one year and the current year.

Frozen 4 appearances, 1-0
McN Cup, 1-0
Final 5 title, 0-1
Add that with wins against top 5 teams this year and weeks spent at #1 in the poll. No contest.

So we agree then...Minnesota is by far the bigger choke artist. :p:D:D

Tiggsy
01-17-2013, 12:37 PM
For my rankings, a linear relationship is probably more valid using rank #.

137-21 = 116
358-106 = 252

116/252 = 46.03%
100-46.03 = 53.97%

Quite significant

*sigh* I find that a little tough to buy, but there's no way I can successfully argue the point since you made the system and have all the details. I can't compete with all that inside information. I'll just say each of them probably sucked just as much for our respective teams when they happened. That makes everything equal.

SJHovey
01-17-2013, 12:40 PM
This is an excellent point. The UND North Dakotans don't really have any banners or titles except a final 5. They still played as the Sioux at the Final 5. http://www.uscho.com/recaps/2012/03/17/dells-22-save-outing-keeps-broadmoor-trophy-with-north-dakota/

Brick Tamland
01-17-2013, 12:46 PM
The cat is out of the bag. You only have 14 posts and you already know about him. What is your other screen name?
Was a lurker for quite a while. But lets be honest here... how far back in post history do you suppose a person would have to look back to figure out people feel a certain way about JDUBBS? Hell- I am a slack-jawed, redneck, breathe through my mouth, Olive Garden loving, **** in the elevator, Sioux fan... and I "figgered it out quicker 'n a Minnesoturite cud rape a purdy lil goat".

Fighting Sioux 23
01-17-2013, 12:47 PM
*sigh* I find that a little tough to buy, but there's no way I can successfully argue the point since you made the system and have all the details. I can't compete with all that inside information. I'll just say each of them probably sucked just as much for our respective teams when they happened. That makes everything equal.

If you want to talk about disappointing losses, I would agree with you. However, concerning which was the bigger upset, Holy Cross-Minnesota was historic (more so for the fact that it signaled a change in the NCAA Tournament that anyone could beat anyone). Michigan-North Dakota just sucked because I was there and had to listen to the **** Michigan pep band for another night. :p:D:D

goldy_331
01-17-2013, 12:48 PM
Hell- I am a slack-jawed, redneck, breathe through my mouth, Olive Garden loving, **** in the elevator, Sioux fan...

OK, that really doesn't narrow it down much. Now which long time UND poster ARE you really?

Gurtholfin
01-17-2013, 12:48 PM
Was a lurker for quite a while. But lets be honest here... how far back in post history do you suppose a person would have to look back to figure out people feel a certain way about JDUBBS? Hell- I am a slack-jawed, redneck, breathe through my mouth, Olive Garden loving, **** in the elevator, Sioux fan... and I "figgered it out quicker 'n a Minnesoturite cud rape a purdy lil goat".


Thread winner! :D


Although you forgot about lawnmowers and frostbite.

Mills
01-17-2013, 12:50 PM
The formula doesn't compare each game, but rather the quality of a team over the course of an entire season. In the 2010-2011 season, Michigan was much closer to North Dakota than Holy Cross was to Minnesota in 2005-2006.

Personally, an NCAA Tournament game is an NCAA Tournament game. If you lose, you go home. Now, a Regional Semifinal should be the easiest game a team plays (especially a top seed) in the NCAA Tournament, while a National Semifinal will be likely one of the most difficult. Of course, that is just generally speaking.

Great, thanks for the info.

Fighting Sioux 23
01-17-2013, 12:51 PM
OK, that really doesn't narrow it down much. Now which long time UND poster ARE you really?

Hard to say...considering that we have the largest fanbase in North America. :p:D:D

goldy_331
01-17-2013, 12:52 PM
Hard to say...considering that we have the largest fanbase in North America. :p:D:D

Are you counting all the flickertails to get that number?

Fighting Sioux 23
01-17-2013, 12:55 PM
Are you counting all the flickertails to get that number?

The only number that matters is #1...as in North Dakota has the #1 following in North America. :p:D:D

goldy_331
01-17-2013, 01:24 PM
The only number that matters is #1...as in North Dakota has the #1 following in North America. :p:D:D

I'm assuming this is another one of your made-up rankings that you created. :p

Dirty
01-17-2013, 01:37 PM
I'm assuming this is another one of your made-up rankings that you created. :p

Made up rankings are the #1 source for correct information in a survey I saw.

Mills
01-17-2013, 01:38 PM
Is Mills a Gopher fan or just a UND hater?

Let's just put it this way.

Bob May = Class (BTW does any UND fan on this board know who he was without google?)
Gino Gasparini = Class
Dean Blais = Class
Hakstol = Not so much

I've seen some things behind the scenes with the current staff (Eades included) that has really turned the tide for me the last decade. I realize that no one is perfect, but it really left a bitter taste in my mouth. I'll leave it at that.

Was my grammar ok?