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  • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    As much as we see autism over-diagnosed in this country and some that could be cured by a simple belt to the bottom
    smh. Awful.
    Keep an open mind. Just don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

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    • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

      Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
      That it does. As much as we see autism over-diagnosed in this country and some that could be cured by a simple belt to the bottom, there still are some people that are greatly affected by this disease who truly need assistance.
      Thank god for us both that technology doesnt give me the ability to reach thru my screen right now. I cant believe that you wrote / believe this. Then again, with you I can. Up for most insensitive post of the year.

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      • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

        Originally posted by Red Cloud View Post
        smh. Awful.
        Typical out of context response. Read the rest of the post.

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        • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          Typical out of context response. Read the rest of the post.
          That was an entire clause of a sentence. Are you saying that because you are willing the basic latitude of "some autism is legitimate," that makes "we can beat it out of some of them" somehow acceptable?

          Good Lord.
          Keep an open mind. Just don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

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          • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

            Originally posted by Red Cloud View Post
            That was an entire clause of a sentence. Are you saying that because you are willing the basic latitude of "some autism is legitimate," that makes "we can beat it out of some of them" somehow acceptable?

            Good Lord.
            I guess you missed the point. There are some people who are correctly diagnosed with this disease, and some people who are incorrectly diagnosed. We've seen this quite a bit with autism, ADD, ADHD, and several other diseases and disorders out there. For those that truly have autism and were correctly diagnosed, they truly need assistance, and is exactly why events such as this are taking place. There has NEVER been any waiver from that point whatsoever. I am worried that those who were misdiagnosed as autistic are stealing money from these foundations just because a corrupt pharmaceutical wanted to push some drugs onto more people. THAT is the basis behind the comment.

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            • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
              I am worried that those who were misdiagnosed as autistic are stealing money from these foundations just because a corrupt pharmaceutical wanted to push some drugs onto more people. THAT is the basis behind the comment.
              And those ones, we can just beat them?

              Or am I just missing the point of "could be cured by a simple belt to the bottom?"

              Regardless, even if you're that seriously misguided, there was no reason at all to bring this up.
              Keep an open mind. Just don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

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              • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                Assigning a name to an undesired pattern of behavior doesn't alter reality. Treatment may do so. How effective has corporal punishment been in altering any type of undesired human behavior?

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                • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                  Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                  I guess you missed the point. There are some people who are correctly diagnosed with this disease, and some people who are incorrectly diagnosed. We've seen this quite a bit with autism, ADD, ADHD, and several other diseases and disorders out there. For those that truly have autism and were correctly diagnosed, they truly need assistance, and is exactly why events such as this are taking place. There has NEVER been any waiver from that point whatsoever. I am worried that those who were misdiagnosed as autistic are stealing money from these foundations just because a corrupt pharmaceutical wanted to push some drugs onto more people. THAT is the basis behind the comment.
                  No one "missed the point," Dude. You are not a parent, obviously, and so can be flippant and irresponsible in your ill-considered and thoughtless remarks. however, for those of us who actually do have the responsibility of molding another person's life, using physical violence against a helpless child merely because you are frustrated with that child's behavior is a terrible example and speaks solely to your own frustration and does nothing whatsoever to help the child.

                  Do you want people to learn that it is okay to lash out at others when you are frustrated? or is it better to take a breath, center yourself, and start again without resorting to violence?


                  Spare me please the stories about how your parents used to beat you and you turned out okay because obviously others might disagree with your self-assessment. Yes, plenty of us had corporal punishment growing up and my own memories of it were that I won, I got Dad to lose it while I kept my cool.
                  Last edited by FreshFish; 01-17-2013, 12:55 PM.
                  "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

                  "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                  "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                  "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                  • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                    Originally posted by Osorojo View Post
                    How effective has corporal punishment been in altering any type of undesired human behavior?
                    Capital punishment has been 100% effective in preventing murderers from killing again.
                    "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

                    "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                    "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                    "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                    • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                      Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                      No one "missed the point," Dude. You are not a parent, obviously, and so can be flippant and irresponsible in your ill-considered and thoughtless remarks. however, for those of us who actually do have the responsibility of molding another person's life, using physical violence against a helpless child merely because you are frustrated with that child's behavior is a terrible example and speaks solely to your own frustration and does nothing whatsoever to help the child.

                      Do you want people to learn that it is okay to lash out at others when you are frustrated? or is it better to take a breath, center yourself, and start again without resorting to violence?


                      Spare me please the stories about how your parents used to beat you and you turned out okay because obviously others might disagree with your self-assessment. Yes, plenty of us had corporal punishment growing up and my own memories of it were that I won, I got Dad to lose it while I kept my cool.
                      All very sensible-how do you suppose a parent should react to truly bad behavior on the part of their child? And should that reaction be proportionate in its response to just how bad that act is? Just curious as a parent myself and also a former psychiatry resident. (I know-not really hockey related but just passing some time today before all the excitement of this weekend)
                      Take the shortest distance to the puck and arrive in ill humor

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                      • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                        Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
                        All very sensible-how do you suppose a parent should react to truly bad behavior on the part of their child? And should that reaction be proportionate in its response to just how bad that act is? Just curious as a parent myself and also a former psychiatry resident. (I know-not really hockey related but just passing some time today before all the excitement of this weekend)
                        I cannot even begin to suggest how someone else "should" react without more context. So much depends upon how consistently you have behaved toward the child from his/her infancy, and whatever medical / psychiatric conditions may be present. We've been very lucky not to have had problem children in those areas at least.


                        Generally, making sure that the children go through the "natural consequences" of bad behavior without sheltering them from it has been sufficient for us. Too many other parents allow bad behavior to compound by ignoring or overlooking it until it gets unmanageable. My best "answer" would be to start really young. We even had a family joke about it: "Mothers-in-law don't want to see their grandchildren fall down; fathers don't want to see their children get hurt too badly when they fall down." If they fall down, they should get hurt, a little, that helps them learn balance. Some parents try to shelter their children completely from all pain and suffering and it seems to me that it is mostly those children who become problems when they get older.



                        let me give you an example or two from my own experiences. We have been very consistent with our expectations of our children from their infancy (obviously adjusting the expectations as the children mature).
                        > One time, with my son, when he was young and did something he wasn't supposed to do, I said to him very calmly, "[Name], I'm very disappointed in you." He immediately burst into tears. At that age, his father's approval was very important to him, and keeping that approval was a powerful motivator.
                        > Once, when she was about three or four, our daughter lied. It was an obvious lie to avoid "getting into trouble." We merely disbelieved everything she told us for about a month. She was absolutely miserable by the end of that month. No lecture, merely a "natural consequence." As far as we know, she has never lied to us since.
                        > there are also the typical "being grounded" or withdrawing use of something they enjoy.
                        > from time to time in his later teen years, our son has had to work off financial consequences of irresponsible behavior in order to continue to receive our financial support beyond food and shelter.


                        I know this doesn't answer your question. Depending on the situation, age, and etc., I might suggest civil commitment if the problem is that extreme.
                        Last edited by FreshFish; 01-17-2013, 01:57 PM.
                        "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

                        "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                        "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                        "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                        • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                          FF: You at least give this a lot of thought-and I commend you for it. Unfortunately-the population at large for the most part does not. It is all black and white to them-either hitting or absolutely no hitting. As you point out this is not at all simple. The effects of positive and negative reinforcement have been documented over many years-and still not many people can agree. As you have said-and I agree totally-every case and probably every instance has to be individualized.
                          Take the shortest distance to the puck and arrive in ill humor

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                          • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                            Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                            I cannot even begin to suggest how someone else "should" react without more context. So much depends upon how consistently you have behaved toward the child from his/her infancy, and whatever medical / psychiatric conditions may be present. We've been very lucky not to have had problem children in those areas at least.


                            Generally, making sure that the children go through the "natural consequences" of bad behavior without sheltering them from it has been sufficient for us. Too many other parents allow bad behavior to compound by ignoring or overlooking it until it gets unmanageable. My best "answer" would be to start really young. We even had a family joke about it: "Mothers-in-law don't want to see their grandchildren fall down; fathers don't want to see their children get hurt too badly when they fall down." If they fall down, they should get hurt, a little, that helps them learn balance. Some parents try to shelter their children completely from all pain and suffering and it seems to me that it is mostly those children who become problems when they get older.



                            let me give you an example or two from my own experiences. We have been very consistent with our expectations of our children from their infancy (obviously adjusting the expectations as the children mature).
                            > One time, with my son, when he was young and did something he wasn't supposed to do, I said to him very calmly, "[Name], I'm very disappointed in you." He immediately burst into tears. At that age, his father's approval was very important to him, and keeping that approval was a powerful motivator.
                            > Once, when she was about three or four, our daughter lied. It was an obvious lie to avoid "getting into trouble." We merely disbelieved everything she told us for about a month. She was absolutely miserable by the end of that month. No lecture, merely a "natural consequence." As far as we know, she has never lied to us since.
                            > there are also the typical "being grounded" or withdrawing use of something they enjoy.
                            > from time to time in his later teen years, our son has had to work off financial consequences of irresponsible behavior in order to continue to receive our financial support beyond food and shelter.


                            I know this doesn't answer your question. Depending on the situation, age, and etc., I might suggest civil commitment if the problem is that extreme.
                            Good Lord.....the last I checked, this was a hockey game/series thread......maybe we should take this to the Oprah blog.......I think it's Parenting 101.
                            I've been lost since 1989. I got a breakaway on a frozen river and have been skating ever since.

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                            • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                              Originally posted by sk8tronthepond View Post
                              .....the last I checked, this was a hockey game/series thread......

                              right, and Dr. D and I are merely standing in line at the concession stand chatting about this and that while we wait for the game to begin...
                              "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

                              "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                              "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                              "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                              • Re: Colgate & Cornell @ RPI & Union (1/18, 1/19)

                                Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                                right, and Dr. D and I are merely standing in line at the concession stand chatting about this and that while we wait for the game to begin...
                                ....it's obviously not the line at HFH, your chatting would have ended long ago!!
                                I've been lost since 1989. I got a breakaway on a frozen river and have been skating ever since.

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