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RKarger
01-27-2013, 06:43 PM
They started a band in the last couple years. They have a very limited selection of music because they haven't been around very long.fyp.
That as well...but we've run into them three or four times now and heard the exact same repertoire every time, with repeats during the games, which is what stands out to me as a member of RPI's band, where we have about 100 songs in the active set pulled from the full library of 475 songs, plus the cheers for stoppages.

FlagDUDE08
01-27-2013, 06:48 PM
That as well...but we've run into them three or four times now and heard the exact same repertoire every time, with repeats during the games, which is what stands out to me as a member of RPI's band, where we have about 100 songs in the active set pulled from the full library of 475 songs, plus the cheers for stoppages.

You hear repetition from Cornell as well, but with them it's almost expected. Plus, doesn't Union's band only play when RPI shows up?

lugnut92
01-27-2013, 07:06 PM
You hear repetition from Cornell as well, but with them it's almost expected. Plus, doesn't Union's band only play when RPI shows up?

We're not the right people to ask; I don't go out of my way to see Union games.

Waite21
01-27-2013, 08:36 PM
Did you try disconnecting and connecting again?

No, I didn't. I tried refreshing, but I guess that's not the same thing.

I'll have to try disconnecting and reconnecting if I have the same problem in the future.

Still Crazy in section 17
01-27-2013, 10:40 PM
I really should have gone to Berlin this weekend instead of sticking around and listening to the game. :)

You made the right call Ralph!

Random comments from an olde time poster and recent lurker (I have my reasons):
1) Bailen's penalty was a joke if taken at face value. Was the call a somewhat misguided attempt by Kotyra to make up for the hit on Grosneck? Regardless, Kotrya has been BRUTAL to RPI over the years...and that's being kind to him more than we should be. RPI deserved a better fate from the game they played and how if was officiated.
2) Terrific hockey game. Well played with great action, skilled play, and a lively crowd. I've read the few season ticket holders' comments on being forced to buy this game but it was well worth the price in my opinion. This atmosphere was outstanding and I hope each school continues this event this time of year, not in October like in previous attempts. Hopefully, the game will be able to 'sell itself' and not force this game as part of the season ticket package. Maybe this year's success will allow it to gain some corporate sponsorships to underwrite its cost.
3) Luke Curadi is now my hero. Luke, on the way back to the locker room after warmups, took the time to hand a puck to a really young RPI fan. Not just flipping it to the child but making sincere eye contact and all. Afterwards, the parents of the child were simply awestruck at Luke's gesture and I believe #5 is now their favorite player too! I know when my son was awestruck by the players in his younger years and as a parent I can relate what joy it brings. Major props, Luke.

Still Crazy in Section 17....Larry

Ralph Baer
01-27-2013, 11:32 PM
fyp.

FWIW, Union has been around as a college longer than RPI, although not as log continuously as a hockey team.

Ralph Baer
01-28-2013, 03:23 AM
This hasn't be brought up recently, but only 13 more victories until RPI reaches 1000. Not likely to happen this season, but I can still hope. Also only 17 more games until we reach 2000. With 10 regular season games remaining, if we play in the first round of the ECAC playoffs and then get to AC with at least one loss, we will reach that this year. (We can also make it several ways if we make the NCAA tourney. In the unlikely event that we get a bye in the ECAC tourney and reach both the ECAC and NCAA finals with no loss in the ECAC tourney, we will make it to 2000 in the NCAA championship game. :) )

Our current record is 987-877-119 in 1983 games for a .528 percentage. The modern era stats are 962-804-113 in 1879 games for a .542.

Another question is why is a three-digit decimal representation called a percentage? :)

sk8tronthepond
01-28-2013, 07:45 AM
Were the stands really packed??? Guess it depends on how the data is processed. That varies from individual to individual as does the definition of "success". Generally, my definition of "success" would be defined as 5,989 people making totally voluntary decisions to make a purchase and paying for it with no outside pressures applied to them and absolutely no freebies of any kind. Keeping that in mind there is the following to consider.

1) At pickup time for RPI season ticket holders, they were handed a memo asking that any of their Mayor's Cup tickets expected to not be used be resubmitted to the school so that they could be given away. Though we have absolutely no idea how many, it is my and our understanding that tickets for this event were given away (mostly to groups) like penny candy above and beyond any that were resubmitted. If anyone can confirm this, refute this or provide reasonable estimates, feel welcome.

2) General public Union season ticket holders were given a Mayor's Cup ticket at no additional cost. This was confirmed by Union season ticket holders I come in contact with both through my work and socially. Regardless of how many and what they said, a call to Union's box office back in the fall further confirmed this fact to my satisfaction (I pretended to be a potential new customer). The only missing piece of information here is exactly how many general public season tickets Union sells. If anyone is aware of this figure, please fell free.

3) RPI season ticket holders were simply forced to pay (believed to be the full $15) for the Mayor's Cup ticket regardless of whether they wanted to trek to downtown Albany or wanted to go to this game period. Refusal to do so would have put the seat I have held since 1977 and surrounded by friends up for grabs to any new customer or anyone who wanted to change seats. For $15 I would have had to take both that risk and also risked exposing my friends to a new neighbor in their mists they may not have been thrilled with. Believe me, I specifically asked for a season ticket that did not involve going to an area at night that I am quite familiar with (worked in that area from 1979 to 2004 and again from 2005 to 2010) and, at age 60, simply is no longer comfortable being in. The request was summarily refused. It was cough up the $15 or take the above risks. In addition, I would also lose stand to lose my spot on the parking lot list and be left with no on site parking. Sorry, that is not a voluntary purchase with no outside pressure. It more resembles strong arming or a out and out shakedown. RPI general public season ticket holders number around a thousand. Exactly how many, especially the many older ones, did not want to go and ate this ticket will probably never be known.

In conclusion, "success" would probably best be defined as 5,989 minus the totals of 1, 2 and 3. If whatever that answer is would still be termed a "success", so be it and great. Having this event turn out to be the "success" that it was makes me very happy since next year no one should feel compelled to shake me out of $15 for an event I simply do not want to attend. For those who do support this event, wish for it to continue and are willing to attend it, that is great too. However, morally and ethically, you should be the ones who foot the bill for it without any help from or reprecussions to anyone who does not wish to.

+1!!! Interesting how Union gives there fans a ticket, and RPI admin makes their season ticket holders pay full value for it, then wants it back if you plan not to attend!! Seems counter productive, especially in light of the "success" RPI has had against Union recently.:)

FlagDUDE08
01-28-2013, 08:54 AM
+1!!! Interesting how Union gives there fans a ticket, and RPI admin makes their season ticket holders pay full value for it, then wants it back if you plan not to attend!! Seems counter productive, especially in light of the "success" RPI has had against Union recently.:)

Complain to the President of the [student] Union if you must, but I'm not sure the kids were willing to eat a cost like that. Remember, the only thing the administration controls, unless something has changed, is the salaries of the staff. Plus, why are we wasting a NC game with them, anyway?

DrDemento
01-28-2013, 09:47 AM
This hasn't be brought up recently, but only 13 more victories until RPI reaches 1000. Not likely to happen this season, but I can still hope. Also only 17 more games until we reach 2000. With 10 regular season games remaining, if we play in the first round of the ECAC playoffs and then get to AC with at least one loss, we will reach that this year. (We can also make it several ways if we make the NCAA tourney. In the unlikely event that we get a bye in the ECAC tourney and reach both the ECAC and NCAA finals with no loss in the ECAC tourney, we will make it to 2000 in the NCAA championship game. :) )

Our current record is 987-877-119 in 1983 games for a .528 percentage. The modern era stats are 962-804-113 in 1879 games for a .542.

Another question is why is a three-digit decimal representation called a percentage? :)

Thanks Ralph. I normally keep track of this number but have gotten quite confused lately as to what games in the past are not considered in the total of wins. I have come up with several different totals. I know we do not count exhibition wins now-but way back-we played teams and won games that would be considered exhibitions now but perhaps not back then. I too have us at 987 using the numbers that WaP posted before the season. Wouldn't it be special if we played exactly 17 more games this year? And won exactly 13 of them? That would of course make this a very successful year!!

Ralph Baer
01-28-2013, 10:09 AM
Thanks Ralph. I normally keep track of this number but have gotten quite confused lately as to what games in the past are not considered in the total of wins. I have come up with several different totals. I know we do not count exhibition wins now-but way back-we played teams and won games that would be considered exhibitions now but perhaps not back then. I too have us at 987 using the numbers that WaP posted before the season. Wouldn't it be special if we played exactly 17 more games this year? And won exactly 13 of them? That would of course make this a very successful year!! The usual thing is to count the ones that counted when they happened even if they wouldn't count now. That is what USCHO does and also what Kurt Stutt's site does. It would indeed be nice if we did win 13 of 17 in the remainder of this year.

FlagDUDE08
01-28-2013, 10:12 AM
The usual thing is to count the ones that counted when they happened even if they wouldn't count now. That is what USCHO does and also what Kurt Stutt's site does. It would indeed be nice if we did win 13 of 17 in the remainder of this year.

Actually, if we only lose three more in the regular season, and assuming that we get slot 5-12 (fairly likely at this point), we would have our 2000th game AND potentially 1000th win coincide with the ECAC championship. I know it wouldn't mean exactly 2000 games, but I'm sure we'd trade that at the point we get 1000 wins.

However, as important as the journey is the first step that begins the journey. Let's get a win on Friday to start us off right.

The loss also includes tie, and this also assumes we sweep one playoff series and take the other to three games.

DrDemento
01-28-2013, 01:54 PM
You guys will not believe where I am sending this from=they actually have wifi in the recovery room where I have just undergone 2 hours of cataract and retina surgery. Hopefully this will allow me to type better when posting and not make so many mistakes. Should be home in a couple hours but will have the eye patched for 48 hours at least.

Need you mathematicians for this-is there any way that we get to finish our 2000th game this year without also getting to win our 1000th victory? I have no idea why I am having these crazy thoughts right now but the anesthesia has not worn off totally yet.

Wicked Slappaahs
01-28-2013, 01:57 PM
That would be Higgs. I don't think that would have to be the case.I'm not really concerned about who the odd man out wouldve been. My point was Burger's line has been kicking tail...and absolutely deserved another start together. That's my opinion and I respect it absolutely and without discussion.:p

FlagDUDE08
01-28-2013, 01:58 PM
You guys will not believe where I am sending this from=they actually have wifi in the recovery room where I have just undergone 2 hours of cataract and retina surgery. Hopefully this will allow me to type better when posting and not make so many mistakes. Should be home in a couple hours but will have the eye patched for 48 hours at least.

Need you mathematicians for this-is there any way that we get to finish our 2000th game this year without also getting to win our 1000th victory? I have no idea why I am having these crazy thoughts right now but the anesthesia has not worn off totally yet.

Plenty of ways. In order to get to the 2000th game, we must, at a minimum, get to Atlantic City. If the first round and quarterfinals both take three games, either the ECAC semifinal or a regional semifinal will do it. If we sweep both playoff series, the only way to get the 2000th game is to make the national tournament. Obviously, because we need 13 out of 17 to get to 1000 wins in 2000 games, pick five games from then until now that we'd be able to lose. Heck, you could pick the next five regular season games, and there you go.

Wicked Slappaahs
01-28-2013, 01:58 PM
You guys will not believe where I am sending this from=they actually have wifi in the recovery room where I have just undergone 2 hours of cataract and retina surgery. Hopefully this will allow me to type better when posting and not make so many mistakes. Should be home in a couple hours but will have the eye patched for 48 hours at least.

Need you mathematicians for this-is there any way that we get to finish our 2000th game this year without also getting to win our 1000th victory? I have no idea why I am having these crazy thoughts right now but the anesthesia has not worn off totally yet. Having good thoughts for you and your recovery from the procedure Doc. I'm pretty sure the Doc 's wont want you staring at a computer screen !

turk181
01-28-2013, 02:01 PM
You made the right call Ralph!

Random comments from an olde time poster and recent lurker (I have my reasons):
1) Bailen's penalty was a joke if taken at face value. Was the call a somewhat misguided attempt by Kotyra to make up for the hit on Grosneck? Regardless, Kotrya has been BRUTAL to RPI over the years...and that's being kind to him more than we should be. RPI deserved a better fate from the game they played and how if was officiated.
2) Terrific hockey game. Well played with great action, skilled play, and a lively crowd. I've read the few season ticket holders' comments on being forced to buy this game but it was well worth the price in my opinion. This atmosphere was outstanding and I hope each school continues this event this time of year, not in October like in previous attempts. Hopefully, the game will be able to 'sell itself' and not force this game as part of the season ticket package. Maybe this year's success will allow it to gain some corporate sponsorships to underwrite its cost.
3) Luke Curadi is now my hero. Luke, on the way back to the locker room after warmups, took the time to hand a puck to a really young RPI fan. Not just flipping it to the child but making sincere eye contact and all. Afterwards, the parents of the child were simply awestruck at Luke's gesture and I believe #5 is now their favorite player too! I know when my son was awestruck by the players in his younger years and as a parent I can relate what joy it brings. Major props, Luke.

Still Crazy in Section 17....Larry as for your point, 1).......when that happened I turned to a friend seated next to me & almost simultaneously we both said, "that's going to be the make-up call"....and being familiar with Kotyra's work we both knew it was going to come with the game in the balance. When you sit through this crap year after year.....ya just know....ya know.

FlagDUDE08
01-28-2013, 02:02 PM
Having good thoughts for you and your recovery from the procedure Doc. I'm pretty sure the Doc 's wont want you staring at a computer screen !

I believe he said that it was patched. Plus, he can now see more than us two-eyed people. He can see our two eyes, while can only see his one. :p

turk181
01-28-2013, 02:04 PM
You guys will not believe where I am sending this from=they actually have wifi in the recovery room where I have just undergone 2 hours of cataract and retina surgery. Hopefully this will allow me to type better when posting and not make so many mistakes. Should be home in a couple hours but will have the eye patched for 48 hours at least.

Need you mathematicians for this-is there any way that we get to finish our 2000th game this year without also getting to win our 1000th victory? I have no idea why I am having these crazy thoughts right now but the anesthesia has not worn off totally yet. change your name to Capt. Jack Sparrow & have some fun the next 48 hrs Doc. Seriously.... hope all turns out well for you. :)

Wicked Slappaahs
01-28-2013, 02:06 PM
...3) Luke Curadi is now my hero. Luke, on the way back to the locker room after warmups, took the time to hand a puck to a really young RPI fan. Not just flipping it to the child but making sincere eye contact and all. Afterwards, the parents of the child were simply awestruck at Luke's gesture and I believe #5 is now their favorite player too! I know when my son was awestruck by the players in his younger years and as a parent I can relate what joy it brings. Major props, Luke.

Still Crazy in Section 17....Larry Larry -- Yer spot on with this one. From where I sit, BRO's development on the ice has been growing by leaps and bounds. Off the ice, I am happy but not surprised to hear your tale. Having the great pleasure of knowing BRO's parents, I can tell you the kid was raised right, if 'ya know what I mean.