Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition

[Patman]

That's right. The CCHA got rid of the 3rd place game, and is having their Championship on Selection Sunday. I forgot about that.

Really? Jerks. Scrambling for a last minute trip is a pain enough

[boblav1]

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Really? Jerks. Scrambling for a last minute trip is a pain enough

ESPNU will have the selection show at 9:00 pm on Sunday, March 24th. That's pretty late.

http://web1.ncaa.org/NCAATV/exec/query

[davyd83]

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ESPNU will have the selection show at 9:00 pm on Sunday, March 24th. That's pretty late.

http://web1.ncaa.org/NCAATV/exec/query

That's due to the CCHA Final being played Sunday afternoon.

[riverchief1]

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That's due to the CCHA Final being played Sunday afternoon.

This is irritating, pushing the selection show to 9 at night.

[FlagDUDE08]

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This is irritating, pushing the selection show to 9 at night.

It'd be funny if the CCHA championship game went to 5 or 6 overtimes, into the selection show.

[gopheritall]

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That's due to the CCHA Final being played Sunday afternoon.

**** CCHA. The NCAA should take away their autobid after this crap!

[riverchief1]

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It'd be funny if the CCHA championship game went to 5 or 6 overtimes, into the selection show.

LOL. The CCHA won't go out quietly, extending its life.

[Patman]

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It'd be funny if the CCHA championship game went to 5 or 6 overtimes, into the selection show.

which if going by the rules means there would be no autobid from the CCHA... that would be awesome... especially since they're making us wait so freaking long.

[brassbonanza]

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which if going by the rules means there would be no autobid from the CCHA... that would be awesome... especially since they're making us wait so freaking long.

is this really a rule?

[Ralph Baer]

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They could do the calculation based upon each of the two possible outcomes of the CCHA title game, just like Priceless has been doing before late games in Alaska.

[kingdobbs]

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which if going by the rules means there would be no autobid from the CCHA... that would be awesome... especially since they're making us wait so freaking long.

The selection show wouldn't be the point after which the conference effectively forfeits its automatic qualifier; it's happened a couple of times in the past in basketball that I can remember where a conference tournament has not finished by the time the selection show had to go to air (and ISTR one time it was the SEC champion that hadn't been determined yet), and the brackets shown on there had some "slashes" in a seeded bracket position wherein the two teams playing in a conference championship, that would likely have ended in the same seed band regardless of what the result was, were shown.

If the game does not conclude before 11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Sunday, March 17th, 2013, they *might*...(continues below).

is this really a rule?

I quoted it in the other thread:

(a) Conference competition must be conducted in the applicable sport and the conference champion in that sport must be determined not later than the date on which participants are selected for the NCAA championship, either by regular in-season conference competition or a conference meet or tournament, as indicated at the time of application. If a conference’s competition to determine its automatic qualifier is unexpectedly terminated (e.g., due to inclement weather), the conference may designate its qualifier, provided it has established objective criteria for making that designation and has communicated that information to the appropriate sports committee by a specified deadline. (Revised: 8/13/93)

So it very well could be the case that if the CCHA final were to stretch until after midnight (and thus being on a new day), they could lose the bid. That being said (a) if the game is scheduled to start at 2:05, it's not likely to take ten hours before the game is decided (not likely, but plausible), (b) the NCAA is probably likely to take the delay into account, and hold off on ultimately deciding until the CCHA game concluded (since it's not like the CCHA planned for the game to take ten hours long).

[FlagDUDE08]

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The selection show wouldn't be the point after which the conference effectively forfeits its automatic qualifier; it's happened a couple of times in the past in basketball that I can remember where a conference tournament has not finished by the time the selection show had to go to air (and ISTR one time it was the SEC champion that hadn't been determined yet), and the brackets shown on there had some "slashes" in a seeded bracket position wherein the two teams playing in a conference championship, that would likely have ended in the same seed band regardless of what the result was, were shown.

If the game does not conclude before 11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Sunday, March 17th, 2013, they *might*...(continues below).

Also remember, though, that the basketball selection is still subjective. They could very well say SEC winner and SEC loser for two of the spots. Because hockey is entirely mathematical, you can't exactly do that.

[komey1]

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Also remember, though, that the basketball selection is still subjective. They could very well say SEC winner and SEC loser for two of the spots. Because hockey is entirely mathematical, you can't exactly do that.

I know it would never happen, but I would love to see hoops go entirely mathmatical. I'd be curious to see if high mid-majors get more bids. They will already get quite a few this year with the A-10 and Mountain West.

[Ralph Baer]

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This thread has gotten harder to find since it got "sticky". I am used to seeing "sticky" threads that I ignore, about USCHO hiring and HOF nominations.

[Ralph Baer]

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I know it would never happen, but I would love to see hoops go entirely mathmatical. I'd be curious to see if high mid-majors get more bids. They will already get quite a few this year with the A-10 and Mountain West.

If one could find a composite result data file, it could be massaged into the same form as the hockey one is.