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Tiggsy
11-28-2012, 11:38 AM
Matson was big. Every time the intensity dipped, the captain went out there and worked his tail off. It worked wonders.


Rau can be that guy, which is why I think he's destined for captaincy if he sticks around.

Not a dis on Rau but I really don't think there is a comparison. Rau is more of the superstar type of player while Matson was closer to the middle. Matson really made you want to pull for him because of his leadership and work ethic so when he came through it was huge. Rau is more expected to do this type of thing on a regular basis. Not that Rau couldn't be a great captain, but I think Matson will win out.



Simple answer: Because we should!

This.

puckhead@uno
11-28-2012, 11:44 AM
UNO can be. Sustr is 6-8, Megna 6-6. They can be physical at times, but can also can get lazy and rely on reaching and trying to poke check. The smaller forward lines actually tend to throw their weight around a bit more. What I would look for from UNO as a sign they are on their game is if they send guys to the net early. If they keep trying to make the extra pass its bad. But a lot of this team's goals are effort goals where they'll buzz the net and a pass, deflection, or rebound gets through and put home. From an effort perspective...watch our captain Brent Gwidt # 25. He's a great C, typically on the third line and is our best penalty killer. He's got a way of sneaking through the defense because he'll out work his man and next thing you know he's one on one with the goaltender.

Red Cows
11-28-2012, 11:50 AM
Does UNO play physical at all? Last weekend it seemed like Vermont, once they were down big on Friday and pretty much the whole game Saturday, went to the physical game. Not cheap shots, just physical hockey. While the Gophers definitely have the big bodies to "play that game", it did seem to wear them down in the Saturday game, especially in the 3rd period it became evident.

Yes, to the extent that we can. I'll explain.

UNO is the biggest team in all of college hockey (taken right from a recent blog article by Roman Augustoviz of the Star Tribune--something I didn't really know). We have 13 guys 6' 2" or taller on our team. 5 of those are 6' 4" or better (3 of those guys are defensemen).

Rumor has it that, during faceoffs, UNO defenseman Andres Sustr, who is 6' 8" and looks and sounds like Ivan Drago's son, skates around the faceoff circle prior to faceoffs saying "I must break you".

I think other teams have been a little reluctant to really take us on because we are so big. Just my humble impression. We are a physically imposing team and, as an aside, the only team that has really skated with us so far this season is Notre Dame. Fast, too. We haven't had to be real physical since, if the opponent can't skate with you, why bother?

At the Icebreaker in Kansas City, I heard BOTH Army and Notre Dame fans sitting around me making some "those guys are huge" comments. They weren't talking about their guys.

I expect this series to be physical, though, since it is a big, important conference series. Plus, we have a couple of tough, bitter 3-2 losses in the back of our minds late last season to the Gophers as well that are still being stewed about here. If you Gopher fans see either Tony Turgeon or Alex Simonson getting any meaningful ice team this weekend you'll know that Coach Blais has decided we're are going to play "old time hockey". Those guys are the goons on our team and they don't play a lot. The way Coach Blais uses them, I somewhat seriously see that as their actual roles on the squad. Brock Montpetit is the other player kinda in that category except he plays regularly.

I doubt that we get worn down by anybody, either. Coach Blais' offseason conditioning program is supposedly right out of the book of Bear Bryant's in intensity and he proudly thinks there is nobody in college hockey that is in any better shape than we are. It's one of the few things he ever really comes close to bragging about when talking about our program. You hear the players talking about it, too.

Another thing to watch for, UNO has already been whistled down an uber-ridiculous 6 times this season for too-many-men-on-the-ice penalties! More than the last two seasons combined. Maybe we are stupid and big and fast. We don't seem to be able to count to 5, that's for sure.

I think this is going to be a war. I just have that feeling. I don't see either team backing down from the other. There is a lot at stake. On paper, these are remarkably similar teams if you look at team and individual numbers. That said, you don't play on paper, you play on ice. And, we have two head coaches squaring off here that have been here, done this, many times before, with great success. Lucia has a little advantage there in having Guentzel on his bench since he could hardly have better a scouting info source than what he could provide.

It will be an interesting weekend and will set the tone for the remainder of BOTH these team's seasons.

gopher wes
11-28-2012, 12:49 PM
Thanks for the insight, Red Cows.

I mentioned that the Gophers haven't really backed down from physical play so far this year(even though it almost burned them on Saturday last weekend). It's worth mentioning, though, that the Gophers will probably have an advantage playing on the big ice at Mariucci in terms of physicality.

ScoobyDoo
11-28-2012, 12:57 PM
Must sweep already? For what, exactly?

Which part of sweep at home, split on the road is complicated to you? Once I understand that I can answer your question.

Pants
11-28-2012, 01:05 PM
Red Cows, those too many men on the ice penalties are extremely sloppy, but half of that can go to the coaching staff. You listen for when it's your time to get out on the ice. Even in an article in the World-Herald Blais took the blame for those penalties. I have numerous times seen a UNO player notice it and try and bust *** to get back to the bench before the call. It is just sloppy all around and really, an unacceptable penalty to take.

UNO needs to stay out of the box if they want to hang with Minny this weekend. Goals will come at a premium, keep the forecheck up and make it so we don't have to rely on Faulkner/Stolarz or the D and we should be in good shape. I know that won't happen, I expect a lot of back-and-forth in this seires, and I think these are two great hockey teams. I can honestly say I'm excited to watch the games on TV this weekend, I think it will be some **** good hockey.

(I also usually get to watch a couple games a week to get the rest of my fill in, so I'm dying here! ...thanks NHL/PA)

Slap Shot
11-28-2012, 06:51 PM
Really looking forward to this series. I am torn between believing that a split is ok to thinking anything less than 3 points will be uncivilized. I guess part of that comes from the fact they've combined to play 1 TUC between them. Before the season started I would have predicted a sweep but I've had to back off that a bit.

HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
11-28-2012, 08:31 PM
Which part of sweep at home, split on the road is complicated to you? Once I understand that I can answer your question.

:rolleyes: If you're talking about winning the MacNaughton, sure, that is a good recipe, but not the required one.

Red Cows
11-28-2012, 09:31 PM
Really looking forward to this series. I am torn between believing that a split is ok to thinking anything less than 3 points will be uncivilized. I guess part of that comes from the fact they've combined to play 1 TUC between them. Before the season started I would have predicted a sweep but I've had to back off that a bit.

I'm going to be happy with a split, I guess, particularly since that's what I think is probably going to happen.

I'll be shocked if either team makes the other look bad in any measurable way. A sweep either way would be a surprise as well, despite the fact that we are undefeated in Mariucci Arena, all time. :D

Seriously, I expect great hockey this weekend and I bet both teams and coaches end up very complimentary of the other at the end of the weekend. If that actually happens, I'll be happy no matter what the outcome.

Gopher fan has seen a lot more of Coach Blais and his teams than we have over the years. By far. Don't forget that we never played North Dakota until he became our head coach and we moved to the WCHA. I think they know we will show up ready to play. So will the Gophers, I am pretty sure.

In this article in today's Omaha World Herald, I got the distinct sense that our guys see this as the opportunity to show that they really "belong", a big step for any program to take:

http://www.omaha.com/article/20121127/MAVS/711279889/1085#maturity-experience-helping-mavericks

Koho
11-28-2012, 11:46 PM
:rolleyes: If you're talking about winning the MacNaughton, sure, that is a good recipe, but not the required one.

Why wouldn't you want them to win the MacNaughton in their last eligible year? In many ways, it is tougher to win than a NC. It reflects a whole season of play.

And why wouldn't a Gopher fan wish for a Mac, a Broadmore, a NC and a Hobey winner every year?

The Rube
11-28-2012, 11:48 PM
ALL the trophies! /meme

There's just one thing left to do. Win the whole...effin'...thing. /Major League

I will crush you...like a worm. /Braveheart




MN sweeps. Because F you, that's why.

D2D
11-29-2012, 12:12 AM
ALL the trophies! /meme

And don't forget the banners! Who doesn't LOVE a good banner hanging ceremony? ;)

HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
11-29-2012, 12:41 AM
Why wouldn't you want them to win the MacNaughton in their last eligible year? In many ways, it is tougher to win than a NC. It reflects a whole season of play.

And why wouldn't a Gopher fan wish for a Mac, a Broadmore, a NC and a Hobey winner every year?

Who said I didn't want them to win the MacNaughton? Scooby's post could have went a number of different ways. I was confused why THIS series was a must sweep, considering it's, you know, only late November. If it's ONLY because it is a home series, and that is the ONLY way a team wins the MacNaughton, then again, I am confused, and I think it's ridiculous. Do I WANT Minnesota to sweep? Of course. Do I think they CAN sweep? Yes, absolutely. Do I EXPECT them to sweep? No, I do not. I do think Minnesota tends to play to the level of their competition at times, so if that is the case, that will be a good thing this weekend, since currently UNO > everyone we've played this year.

D2D
11-29-2012, 01:36 AM
I do think Minnesota tends to play to the level of their competition at times, so if that is the case, that will be a good thing this weekend, since currently UNO > everyone we've played this year.

If you are right, that Minnesota tends to play "to the level of their competition at times", then there's a problem. And if they do, it shouldn't be used as an excuse for losing. And if "UNO > everyone we've played this year" as you say, then arguably the Gophers should rise up and "play to the level of their competition" and sweep this series - at home!

Case closed!

HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
11-29-2012, 01:54 AM
If you are right, that Minnesota tends to play "to the level of their competition at times", then there's a problem. And if they do, it shouldn't be used as an excuse for losing. And if "UNO > everyone we've played this year" as you say, then arguably the Gophers should rise up and "play to the level of their competition" and sweep this series - at home!

Case closed!

Yes, that is a problem. I never said otherwise. I also never said it was an excuse for losing...my point was, is that UNO will be the best team Minnesota has faced this year (of course, my opinion, but it plays into the point I am making), and so playing to UNO's level (I assume they are about equal, Minnesota may be a little more talented, but who knows yet?), will be a good thing this weekend. I do not think Minnesota's problem the past few years has been losing to equal/superior teams (except Denver, and occasionally UND). It was losing to the Northern Michigans, Northeasterns, and UAAs of the college hockey world that was frustrating as hell to watch.

D2D
11-29-2012, 02:44 AM
Yes, that is a problem. I never said otherwise. I also never said it was an excuse for losing...my point was, is that UNO will be the best team Minnesota has faced this year (of course, my opinion, but it plays into the point I am making), and so playing to UNO's level (I assume they are about equal, Minnesota may be a little more talented, but who knows yet?), will be a good thing this weekend. I do not think Minnesota's problem the past few years has been losing to equal/superior teams (except Denver, and occasionally UND). It was losing to the Northern Michigans, Northeasterns, and UAAs of the college hockey world that was frustrating as hell to watch.

Great points, I understand where you are coming from!

HOWEVER, I will say that if we have roughly double the number of NHL draft choices as the opposition, we SHOULD win - both games - notwithstanding the fact that in the game of hockey anything can happen in a single game, or even in a two game (short) series. But if 'effort and intensity' are roughly the same on both sides, chances are the more talented team SHOULD prevail...and that still means Minnesota. But then again, I realize that= in hockey many things (esp. goaltnding!) will determine which team wins... ane UND should have the edge in most sports - ecpecially hocey!

gopher wes
11-29-2012, 09:36 AM
Really looking forward to this series. I am torn between believing that a split is ok to thinking anything less than 3 points will be uncivilized. I guess part of that comes from the fact they've combined to play 1 TUC between them. Before the season started I would have predicted a sweep but I've had to back off that a bit.
That sounds like a little bit of sandbagging from the ol' Slapper!;)

SanTropez
11-29-2012, 12:11 PM
Great points, I understand where you are coming from!

HOWEVER, I will say that if we have roughly double the number of NHL draft choices as the opposition, we SHOULD win - both games - notwithstanding the fact that in the game of hockey anything can happen in a single game, or even in a two game (short) series. But if 'effort and intensity' are roughly the same on both sides, chances are the more talented team SHOULD prevail...and that still means Minnesota. But then again, I realize that= in hockey many things (esp. goaltnding!) will determine which team wins... ane UND should have the edge in most sports - ecpecially hocey!

I don't agree with this line of thinking, it is way overblown by the media and others. All that really means is the 'potential' is there for the kid who was drafted, this does not mean that at this point in time in their career they are head and shoulders above anyone else. In fact many times they either don't pan out or it takes until their junior season or so before they start to reach their potential (of course there are exceptions) in the meantime while they are still freshman and sophomores they can struggle playing against older non-drafted players.

JDUBBS1280
11-29-2012, 12:38 PM
I don't agree with this line of thinking, it is way overblown by the media and others. All that really means is the 'potential' is there for the kid who was drafted, this does not mean that at this point in time in their career they are head and shoulders above anyone else. In fact many times they either don't pan out or it takes until their junior season or so before they start to reach their potential (of course there are exceptions) in the meantime while they are still freshman and sophomores they can struggle playing against older non-drafted players.

I Agree. Lineups stacked with high draft picks hasn't neccessarily guaranteed us success in the past. However, it should more often than not if we are recruiting and developing our players right. Just goes to show that recruiting and drafting are not exact sciences. When York regires, he should give seminars to other college coaches. He'd make a fortune because whatever formula/criteria he's using seems to be the benchmark.

4four4
11-29-2012, 12:52 PM
I Agree. Lineups stacked with high draft picks hasn't neccessarily guaranteed us success in the past. However, it should more often than not if we are recruiting and developing our players right. Just goes to show that recruiting and drafting are not exact sciences. When York regires, he should give seminars to other college coaches. He'd make a fortune because whatever formula/criteria he's using seems to be the benchmark.

I agree but our state is actually producing high draft picks. Mass. isn't exactly setting the world on fire which offers him a different avenue that he has used.