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UncleRay
11-19-2012, 01:55 PM
Maryland/Rutgers adding D1 hockey (http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?102100-Big-Ten-Expansion-Maryland-and-Rutgers&p=5554401&viewfull=1#post5554401)Wow. That should shake things up a bit.

dggoddard
11-19-2012, 02:03 PM
Maryland just got through dropping seven sports so hard to see them adding hockey, but who knows in this crazy age. Maybe it will be the price of admission.

Here's how this conference expansion phase will go down. They will blow the Big Ten up like a balloon and then when the time is right/wrong depending on your perspective, the big boyz will quit leaving the remainders holding the bag.

Take a guess what side of the fence Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, Michigan State & Nebraska will be on?

And then on the other side will be the Maryland, Rutgers, Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, Iowa & Northwestern.

pinch
11-19-2012, 02:22 PM
UConn would have been a nice addition instead of Rutgers... maybe when they go to 16

UMD21
11-19-2012, 02:56 PM
**** the big ten

snipeshow10
11-19-2012, 03:08 PM
I strongly doubt UConn moves into the B1G. With Rutgers and Maryland moving out, it has been heavily rumored that UConn will move into the ACC.

PGB
11-19-2012, 05:09 PM
This puts the number of member schools sponsoring hockey below the magic number of 50%. Or is that not the actual magic number?

mnstate0fhockey
11-19-2012, 05:13 PM
This puts the number of member schools sponsoring hockey below the magic number of 50%. Or is that not the actual magic number?

The magic number is six schools, regardless of the number of schools in the conference. Six is also the minimum number of teams for an NCAA auto-bid.

Fighting Sioux 23
11-19-2012, 06:10 PM
The magic number is six schools, regardless of the number of schools in the conference. Six is also the minimum number of teams for an NCAA auto-bid.

Do you know where in the Handbook it says that? I've been looking all over for it and cannot find it.

Biddco
11-19-2012, 06:30 PM
This puts the number of member schools sponsoring hockey below the magic number of 50%. Or is that not the actual magic number?
Even if this was an a issue I'm sure they would get some waiver.

kingdobbs
11-19-2012, 06:46 PM
Do you know where in the Handbook it says that? I've been looking all over for it and cannot find it.

Chapter 18 on Championships.

"18.5.1 Division Championship. To be eligible for automatic qualification into any Division I championship, a conference shall: (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(a) Have at least six member institutions classified in Division I in the sport in which automatic qualification is
sought; and
(b) Meet all requirements for conference automatic qualification into any division championship as set forth in
Bylaw 31.3.4. (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)"

Patman
11-19-2012, 06:53 PM
Chapter 18 on Championships.

"18.5.1 Division Championship. To be eligible for automatic qualification into any Division I championship, a conference shall: (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(a) Have at least six member institutions classified in Division I in the sport in which automatic qualification is
sought; and
(b) Meet all requirements for conference automatic qualification into any division championship as set forth in
Bylaw 31.3.4. (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)"

If anything you'd have to look at the league bylaws. Though, if this is a 50% thing.... Then, yeah, it would certainly be interesting

state of hockey
11-19-2012, 07:22 PM
Even if it were a 50% thing I would imagine that the current six would stick together and merely call the conference something else. Who the hell would let them back into their conferences?

MinnesotaNorthStar
11-19-2012, 07:28 PM
Even if it were a 50% thing I would imagine that the current six would stick together and merely call the conference something else. Who the hell would let them back into their conferences?Don't worry. I'm sure MN and WI are like-minded enough to get into the NCHC. :D

Seriously, this is not going to affect the BTHC at all...

Hammy
11-19-2012, 08:31 PM
Maryland just got through dropping seven sports so hard to see them adding hockey, but who knows in this crazy age. Maybe it will be the price of admission.

All it takes is one big donor a la Penn State and you are off and running. The founder of Under Armour (Kevin Plank) is a Maryland alum and a billionaire. Maybe he could be their version of Terry Pegula someday. That area is a pretty good hockey market with the Capitals.


Here's how this conference expansion phase will go down. They will blow the Big Ten up like a balloon and then when the time is right/wrong depending on your perspective, the big boyz will quit leaving the remainders holding the bag.

Take a guess what side of the fence Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, Michigan State & Nebraska will be on?

And then on the other side will be the Maryland, Rutgers, Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, Iowa & Northwestern.

It comes down to media markets. You don't give up sizable media markets and the money that comes with it. Some of those "other side" schools actually have more attractive media markets than the "big boyz" you mentioned.

SCSU Euro
11-19-2012, 08:55 PM
Zero chance the BTHC doesn't happen, but in a fantasy world where it didn't happen you are kidding yourself if you think the other conferences wouldn't take them back with open arms

Patman
11-19-2012, 11:52 PM
All it takes is one big donor a la Penn State and you are off and running. The founder of Under Armour (Kevin Plank) is a Maryland alum and a billionaire. Maybe he could be their version of Terry Pegula someday. That area is a pretty good hockey market with the Capitals.



It comes down to media markets. You don't give up sizable media markets and the money that comes with it. Some of those "other side" schools actually have more attractive media markets than the "big boyz" you mentioned.

It'll happen. This idea is nothing more than the NHL's "southern strategy" writ large. Sure, they'll like the money but they'll see certain aspects stagnate and then certain eyes will get out their measuring tape and saws. Fact is these groups will be very large and their interests will go a few different ways. One of the big boys will split apart in the next 10 years. Just a matter of who and when. The only tie that will bind after awhile is money... but as we know, money is never a full substitute for ego.

dggoddard
11-19-2012, 11:52 PM
All it takes is one big donor a la Penn State and you are off and running. The founder of Under Armour (Kevin Plank) is a Maryland alum and a billionaire. Maybe he could be their version of Terry Pegula someday. That area is a pretty good hockey market with the Capitals.

It comes down to media markets. You don't give up sizable media markets and the money that comes with it. Some of those "other side" schools actually have more attractive media markets than the "big boyz" you mentioned.Not refuting your comment, but as a point of interest, "Kevin Plank just announced today that he would not contribute to Maryland's ACC Exit Fee."

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2012/11/19/under-armours-plank-acc-exit-fee.html

The Big Ten TV Network is based on a regional model that involves securing TV markets. My point about the Big Boyz possibly leaving the Big Ten, would be driven by ESPN throwing billion$ at some sort of a "Super National Conference." Today were talking millions, tomorrow...who knows?

Anyway congrats on adding Rutgers. I didn't see that one coming, that's for sure. :D

Fighting Sioux 23
11-20-2012, 12:33 AM
Chapter 18 on Championships.

"18.5.1 Division Championship. To be eligible for automatic qualification into any Division I championship, a conference shall: (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(a) Have at least six member institutions classified in Division I in the sport in which automatic qualification is
sought; and
(b) Meet all requirements for conference automatic qualification into any division championship as set forth in
Bylaw 31.3.4. (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)"
That sounds like the NCAA rule, not the B1G rule. I was talking about the B1G handbook.

UncleRay
11-20-2012, 08:44 AM
Not refuting your comment, but as a point of interest, "Kevin Plank just announced today that he would not contribute to Maryland's ACC Exit Fee."

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2012/11/19/under-armours-plank-acc-exit-fee.html

The Big Ten TV Network is based on a regional model that involves securing TV markets. My point about the Big Boyz possibly leaving the Big Ten, would be driven by ESPN throwing billion$ at some sort of a "Super National Conference." Today were talking millions, tomorrow...who knows?

Anyway congrats on adding Rutgers. I didn't see that one coming, that's for sure. :DIf he's giving money to the school, he's helping with the exit fee, albeit in a roundabout way. Think of it this way: you give your kid $5 but say he can't buy candy with it. He goes to the store with that, and $5 he earned raking the neighbor's lawn and buys the $5 toy that he absolutely HAD to have, and $5 worth of candy because he's got money in his pocket. If you hadn't given him $5, he wouldn't have bought the candy, so can you really say what your $5 bill bought?

mnstate0fhockey
11-20-2012, 09:44 AM
Do you know where in the Handbook it says that? I've been looking all over for it and cannot find it.

I don't know where you can find the actual rule posted, but the jist of it from my understanding is that the Big Ten won't allow a conference tournament unless there are at least six schools participating in the sport. And without a conference tournament, it has never made sense financially to form a BTHC.

Once PSU added hockey, it gave them the sixth team, and the ability to hold a conference tournament if they formed a BTHC.