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FlagDUDE08
11-12-2012, 04:57 PM
If I'm to understand all this we are concerned about hurting the players feelings or them having a negative reaction to dicipline jeeez if thats the case we do have a problem ! Benching is a tactic thats been used by coaches forever as a motivator(ie:not wanting to be benched again) to improve your level of play, heck wasn't A Rod benched for game 5 ! I hope their not only mad at the coach but they are furious at him and go out in the next game and show just how wrong he was to bench them. Or I guess they can feel like their being picked on just go thru the motions and teach the coach a lesson if thats the reaction thats on them.

It certainly is something of legitimate concern, but it would speak larger about the character of the player, which I think was already sorted out by the coaching staff prior to the kid even touching a practise jersey.

NBinks
11-12-2012, 05:10 PM
TB - I'm just asking questions. When you say "not an ongoing problem", I respectfully disagree as its been front and center this year and last. I was wondering if potentially longer than that. As for JDA coming to training camp - I think you are missing my point completely. I think that all of these kids are exceptional and there seems to be a bond between all of them that is extremely strong. If fact, could be said to be remarkable. Thats JDA coming to train with them. So, if they are all so incredibly tight, then where is the breakdown ? You mention PK leaving as possibly a style of play issue. Well, I for one would have loved to see ANY style of play other than what has been on the ice for the past 2 years. If you meant up-tempo with the defensemen being offensive minded, well I would have liked to see that too...but we just dont press the play hard enough as a team and as others have noted we frequently end up getting caught out on that and having odd man situations going the other way. I agree we have a talented team - I am very happy with the recruiting and the team we have. That is not what I am struggling with. When we talk about a "system", I dont know what that "system" is....but clearly it isnt working and doesnt seem that anyone is buying into it. As for discipline, it seems that every one of these kids has been a captain or leader in some way on the ice, and as a group are exceptional scholar-athletes. They are disciplined. However, there seems to be some massive disconnect between the players and the coaches. For the love of god, no one has more discipline problems than BU or North Dakota but they still buy into the "system" and consistently win. If SA doesnt have control of this team, or if they are rebelling against the coaching, then there is a much bigger issue - and thats what I am questioning and concerned about. If the coaching and system is just not working - THEN CHANGE IT. Isnt that what a coaching staff is supposed to do ? Sitting the number of players we did in a league game I think is going to push the players and coaches apart, not bring them together. I do also agree that there is a whole lot of hockey left, and so this can be turned around and that we have the horses to be a force. In the end, I'm left to wonder where we would be - in the same place or an entirely different team - if we had Lehman or Bennett....and I directly ask that question because of what they have done with a program that was basically non-existent 10 years ago and is a national contender now. The fact that they are continually stomping us is unacceptable.

Long time lurker, first time poster.
I was a Union hockey fan during my freshman year at Union in 2006-2007 (after which I transferred to RPI and changed allegiances). At the end of the final home game of the season, I distinctly remember most of the fans chanting "FI-RE LEA-MAN" due to a fourth consecutive stinker season with Nate Leaman at the helm.
Three years later, Union was hoisting the Clearly Cup and everyone was singing Leaman's praises as the best coach in the ECAC. Was he a truly great coach, or did he just eventually have a really good set of players?

I guess I'm just a little reluctant to throw all the blame on Appert-- it has just as much to do with the team getting used to winning and having team synergy as it does with the coach. Even good coaches have problems with teams every so often.

FlagDUDE08
11-12-2012, 05:22 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I was a Union hockey fan during my freshman year at Union in 2006-2007 (after which I transferred to RPI and changed allegiances). At the end of the final home game of the season, I distinctly remember most of the fans chanting "FI-RE LEA-MAN" due to a fourth consecutive stinker season with Nate Leaman at the helm.
Three years later, Union was hoisting the Clearly Cup and everyone was singing Leaman's praises as the best coach in the ECAC. Was he a truly great coach, or did he just eventually have a really good set of players?

I guess I'm just a little reluctant to throw all the blame on Appert-- it has just as much to do with the team getting used to winning and having team synergy as it does with the coach. Even good coaches have problems with teams every so often.

Welcome to the boards. :) Quite a few people coming out of the woodwork, but the more, the merrier.

I believe that was the most recent year that Union finished dead last, yes? I'm not sure that I would completely buy your position as one on Appert, not only because we've gone right back to the doldrums, but because Providence has really picked it up recently in HEA under Leaman. This season and the one before, we seem to be gaining a lack of focus on our goals. Perhaps that's why we had so much success on the road last year in the latter parts of the season, because "the law" was able to rule effectively. I will give you this, though: As much as Appert can BS through a press conference about his issue because it's his team, blown leads and game moment lapses isn't exactly something where Coach has 100% control.

troyboy
11-12-2012, 05:37 PM
Okay thats the end of that dead horse being beat. On an upside save the circumstances it was nice to see some of the freshman get some p-time. A few observations I really liked Phil Hamptons game he is active and involved moves the bisquit pretty good...Travis Fulton was a big surprise he has some game and looked pretty good out there in fact he had 2 grade A scoring chances that the goalie made great saves on....Marty O'Grady was out there and looked all healed up and ready to go save a little rust he was the old high intensity Marty....and last but not least I love Bokenfohrs first of all he is a monster in full equipment...he has a really smooth in control type style. I know people were mentioning a speed issue not sure if thats the case as much as it is a time and space type thing getting used to the overall speed of the college game on the empty net goal the guy did get by him at our bluline but it was more a case where he got cought flat footed trying to keep the puck in but all in all it appears he has a huge up side. Again we took way to many penalties in fact after the first period the shots were 22-5 mostly because of being in the box.

troyboy
11-12-2012, 05:40 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I was a Union hockey fan during my freshman year at Union in 2006-2007 (after which I transferred to RPI and changed allegiances). At the end of the final home game of the season, I distinctly remember most of the fans chanting "FI-RE LEA-MAN" due to a fourth consecutive stinker season with Nate Leaman at the helm.
Three years later, Union was hoisting the Clearly Cup and everyone was singing Leaman's praises as the best coach in the ECAC. Was he a truly great coach, or did he just eventually have a really good set of players?

I guess I'm just a little reluctant to throw all the blame on Appert-- it has just as much to do with the team getting used to winning and having team synergy as it does with the coach. Even good coaches have problems with teams every so often. WELCOME !!!!!!! don't be a stranger. I agree 100% with your post.

AspyDad
11-12-2012, 05:51 PM
Coach should not be loved by players...respected yes, loved...no.

AspyDad
11-12-2012, 05:55 PM
It seems to me that just about everyone feels the problem is not with the players but with the coaching staff not doing their jobs. I wonder if the powers to be at the school feel the same way and are thinking changes needed to be made. I like SA as a coach but agree he needs to stop using the excuses and perhaps he and the rest of his staff need to sit out a game and take a long hard look at themselves.

I just contacted my lawyer and you are officially written out of my will.

Beman
11-12-2012, 06:04 PM
I was there too and you cannot tell me he should have been the only one going to the box out of the 8 guys involved in the scrum. Are you saying Lee breaking a guys stick in retaliation to a penalty followed the next night by another stupid penalty does not reflect poorly on the coach and his staff and that he should have not sat out a game for it? All I am saying is if you are going to sit guys for that type of reason then you better sit all who do it and do not single out certain players. Otherwise, you may cause problems within the team of players thinking why is it acceptable for him and not for me.

I am saying that I was at the Dartmouth game. What I saw was a cheap shot and the player got what he deserved from the refs and Seth. I can't speak to other incidents in other games. As far as the scrum in front of the net? I was right in front of it and I would have only called the penalty that was called

Stay@homeDad
11-12-2012, 06:08 PM
and last but not least I love Bokenfohrs first of all he is a monster in full equipment...he has a really smooth in control type style. I know people were mentioning a speed issue not sure if thats the case as much as it is a time and space type thing getting used to the overall speed of the college game on the empty net goal the guy did get by him at our bluline but it was more a case where he got cought flat footed trying to keep the puck in but all in all it appears he has a huge up side.

I got news for you, he got beat worse than what you saw Friday night which turned into a break away. Luckily our goalie made the save.

Red Cloud
11-12-2012, 06:54 PM
I've been wondering this for a while. Not to mention, too many superstars.

lol wut

DrDemento
11-12-2012, 08:25 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I was a Union hockey fan during my freshman year at Union in 2006-2007 (after which I transferred to RPI and changed allegiances). At the end of the final home game of the season, I distinctly remember most of the fans chanting "FI-RE LEA-MAN" due to a fourth consecutive stinker season with Nate Leaman at the helm.
Three years later, Union was hoisting the Clearly Cup and everyone was singing Leaman's praises as the best coach in the ECAC. Was he a truly great coach, or did he just eventually have a really good set of players?

I guess I'm just a little reluctant to throw all the blame on Appert-- it has just as much to do with the team getting used to winning and having team synergy as it does with the coach. Even good coaches have problems with teams every so often.

Welcome aboard. nice to have another who attended both schools but has their allegiance in the right place.:)

DrDemento
11-12-2012, 08:27 PM
Coach should not be loved by players...respected yes, loved...no.

I am pretty sure not too many on the 1984-1985 team was in love with Mike Addesa (although i just saw Adam Oates give him a lot of credit and expressed his affection for making him a successful hockey player in his HOF speech). You got it exactly right.

turk181
11-13-2012, 12:09 AM
It seems to me that just about everyone feels the problem is not with the players but with the coaching staff not doing their jobs. I wonder if the powers to be at the school feel the same way and are thinking changes needed to be made. I like SA as a coach but agree he needs to stop using the excuses and perhaps he and the rest of his staff need to sit out a game and take a long hard look at themselves.

Another thought that comes to mind with all the players who have worn the "C" or "A" on their jerseys before coming to school here, perhaps there are too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. add new recruit, Parker Reno, as one who wears a "C".

Senna
11-13-2012, 12:10 AM
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I was a Union hockey fan during my freshman year at Union in 2006-2007 (after which I transferred to RPI and changed allegiances). At the end of the final home game of the season, I distinctly remember most of the fans chanting "FI-RE LEA-MAN" due to a fourth consecutive stinker season with Nate Leaman at the helm.
Three years later, Union was hoisting the Clearly Cup and everyone was singing Leaman's praises as the best coach in the ECAC. Was he a truly great coach, or did he just eventually have a really good set of players?

I guess I'm just a little reluctant to throw all the blame on Appert-- it has just as much to do with the team getting used to winning and having team synergy as it does with the coach. Even good coaches have problems with teams every so often.

Maybe I'm not articulating this properly. I absolutely love the kids that we have. I don't see where any other team has some big advantage m us at this point. They also seem like an incredibly tight bunch and that they think as a team should. I also thnk thatSA and crew have done an incredible job recruiting (just look at today's announcement). The guy could sell snow to eskimos. Despite our record and level of play we still keep getting great recruits wo are smart, accomplished and leaders. My point is if the kids are all aligned and really close as a group, and they have been recruited to be under the watch of the coach, then what is the disconnect. For some unknown reason the kids either don't get or are bought into the program once they are here. Said differently, it seems like all our stars are aligned....and if thats the case, how can things appear so incredibly dysfunctional ? As for the Lehman / Bennett reference is that they are obviously getting something out of their players that this staff and team just are not. There is a synergy with them and they are relentless. We don't seem to have a true team synergy nor are we anywhere near relentless. I don't think the disconnect can just be laid at the feet of the kids.

Ralph Baer
11-13-2012, 02:10 AM
Interesting that SA tweeted that he was at the HHoF induction to support Adam Oates, who, of course, was at RPI years many before he arrived.

hockeymascot
11-13-2012, 06:51 AM
Interesting that SA tweeted that he was at the HHoF induction to support Adam Oates, who, of course, was at RPI years many before he arrived.

Shirley probably sent him on a mission to seek a donation that she can use unrestricted!:)

Jasma
11-13-2012, 07:35 AM
Interesting that SA tweeted that he was at the HHoF induction to support Adam Oates, who, of course, was at RPI years many before he arrived.
Nice to see that Coach was there. I also noticed at least one other Fromer RPI player in the audience. Oates also thanked Mike assess in his remarks. Nice ceremony all around.

DrDemento
11-13-2012, 07:40 AM
Shirley probably sent him on a mission to seek a donation that she can use unrestricted!:)

Perhaps she needs a new coat? They are having a sale at Flemington Furs.;)

Ralph Baer
11-13-2012, 07:43 AM
Nice to see that Coach was there. I also noticed at least one other Fromer RPI player in the audience. Oates also thanked Mike assess in his remarks. Nice ceremony all around.

Which former RPI player was there?

Stay@homeDad
11-13-2012, 08:29 AM
Interesting that SA tweeted that he was at the HHoF induction to support Adam Oates, who, of course, was at RPI years many before he arrived.

Good to see him supporting the alumni but makes you wonder who ran practice yesterday. Unless he gave the guys the day off.