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Nick Papagiorgio
11-08-2012, 08:36 AM
It hasn't been the "Big Four" for awhile now. It's kinda like the Big One and the Tepid Three (with the exception of BU's 2009 national champs). And if Coach Parker hadn't won that title in 2009 - especially with BC right down the street in the midst of a historical run - he'd probably be hearing a lot of the same stuff Coach Umile has been hearing in recent seasons (i.e. time to step aside for some younger, more energetic guy who can recruit better, etc.) ...

If not for that title in 2009, Jack Parker would be a lot like Umile... Except for all those other national titles Jack has won.

Chuck Murray
11-08-2012, 09:04 AM
If not for that title in 2009, Jack Parker would be a lot like Umile... Except for all those other national titles Jack has won.

Agreed ... but as a distant supporter of Coach Parker, even I can see that the success going on down at the other end of the trolley line probably would have been magnified on him negatively, had his team not won the 2009 title, no??

People can have short memories, and I suspect even the most ardent BU hockey-supporting students (many of whom were probably in diapers in '94/'95) would struggle to name more than two players off that '95 squad (Pandolfo, Drury, maybe Grier, ... :confused: ). Heck - I struggle to remember a half-dozen players on their '78 team ... and I was in HS then and saw them play several times. If you don't win the big trophies, and your nearby big rival takes them instead, things can go south pretty quickly. I'm pretty sure if UMaine had continued their ride at the top of D-1 as they did in the '90's, Coach Umile's longevity at UNH may have been cut short already? As it was, after the '99 Finals, both teams won some HE Titles, played in Frozen Fours, etc. but neither got the big trophy, so neither program looks bad by comparison. But if BU doesn't win in '09, and BC has, what - four National titles in the last decade, you don't think BU alums would notice? :rolleyes:

BearNecessity
11-08-2012, 09:49 AM
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/07/sports/whiteheads-job-is-safe-for-time-being-says-umaine-ad-abbott/

By Larry Mahoney, BDN Staff
Posted Nov. 07, 2012, at 7:46 p.m.


Whitehead’s job is safe for time being, says UMaine AD Abbott

ORONO, Maine — Despite the University of Maine men’s hockey team’s 1-8 start, 12th-year head coach Tim Whitehead’s job is safe for the time being.

UMaine athletic director Steve Abbott said, “We are not on the verge of making any changes. We’re going to do what we can to get better and play more competitive hockey.”

The Black Bears’ first nine games include an 0-4 record in Hockey East, marking the program’s worst start in league play since the inception of Hockey East in 1984-85.

Whitehead has one year left on his contract after this season. He is the school’s highest-paid coach at $190,000 per season.

“Our focus right now is on supporting our coaches and players and trying to turn this season around. The season is still young,” said Abbott. “Everybody wants this team to get better. It’s a priority for all of us.”

Abbott refused to speculate on Whitehead’s future.

“We will evaluate the program at the end of the season just like we do with all of our programs,” said Abbott.

If Abbott decided not to bring Whitehead back for his final year, he would have to buy him out and that price tag would likely be his $190,000 salary.

Abbott has pulled the trigger in the past, terminating the contract of women’s basketball coach Cindy Blodgett with two years remaining after Blodgett went a program-worst 4-25 in the 2010-11 season to give her a four-year mark of 24-94.

Blodgett received a buyout of $109,772.

The hockey team is in the midst of a six-game losing streak and is 0-5 this season at Alfond Arena. Maine has been outscored 30-10 in its nine games.

The Black Bears are 34th or worse among 59 Division I teams in the four major categories: goals-per-game (1.11, 58th), power play (2.3 percent, 57th), goals allowed (3.33, 48th) and penalty killing (81.2 percent, 34th).

Maine, which has played only one game against a 2011-12 NCAA Tournament team (Boston College), has already been shut out four times and has scored one goal on two more occasions.

Despite the start, Maine has averaged 4,611 fans through its first five home games after averaging 4,454 through its first five last season.

The Black Bears lost players who produced 46.6 percent of their goals and 55 percent of their assists a year ago, and they have been hurt by injuries to returning forwards Kyle Beattie (concussion), Jon Swavely (torn quadriceps) and John Parker (broken foot).

Senior right wing and tri-captain Joey Diamond is the only player with more than 22 career goals and 47 points. He has 46 goals and 38 assists.

Maine had six freshmen and four sophomores in the lineup this past weekend in losses to Boston College (4-2) and New Hampshire (4-0).

The Black Bears are coming off a 23-14-5 season and an NCAA Tournament berth. Maine lost to Minnesota-Duluth 5-2 in the first round of the tourney.

Maine had missed the NCAA Tournament the previous four years after a string of nine consecutive NCAA berths.

Whitehead guided the fortunes of the Bears over the final six years of that nine-year stretch after taking over from Shawn Walsh, who died of complications from kidney cancer in September 2001.

During his first six seasons, Whitehead led the Black Bears to four Frozen Four appearances and a pair of NCAA championship game appearances.

Maine lost to Minnesota 4-3 in overtime in the 2001-02 title game in St. Paul, Minn., and to Denver 1-0 at the TD Garden in Boston in 2004.

Whitehead won the Spencer Penrose Trophy as the national coach of the year in Division I in 2002 and was a Penrose finalist in 2004. He has been a Penrose finalist six times in his 16 seasons as a head coach at UMass Lowell and Maine.

Maine reached the NCAA Tournament semifinals in the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons before beginning its struggles with a 13-18-2 mark in 2007-08.

Whitehead piloted the Black Bears to an impressive 154-69-26 record in his first six years, but they are 86-91-20 since then.

Under Walsh, the Black Bears made 10 NCAA Tournament and seven Frozen Four appearances between 1987-2000. They won NCAA titles in 1993 and 1999.

“The hockey program is critically important to our university,” said Abbott. “It is a source of great pride to our students, alums and fans. It is a program known throughout the country.”

Maine will try to snap its losing streak with a pair of games at UMass Lowell this weekend.

The stats are what they are, but it does go to illustrate a point

Maine has no scoring punch, and the recruiting over that last couple of years , particularly on the forward end of things, has shown that we have some grinders, but no "hands" People here tend to bash the D, but without scoring, and virtually zero forecheck, you place a huge amount of pressure on the D.. Scoring last year was up and D was able to defend more effectively...even with 27 and 44 there..They are stronger defensively, although 71 seems to want to be the 44 of this year, and 10 is no 27...yet. 2. 3. 16 and 4 are solid defenders, but it's like the ice is tilted...a PP that is 2% effective kills you At 25% effective, they would have 11 more goals....think that would make a difference???? Kerluke is the Offensive coach and the chief recruiter......hmmm any pattern here.. Norman, Ledermark, shemansky, Beattie, Pryor....and for gawdsake let 57 play

Drew S.
11-08-2012, 09:56 AM
The stats are what they are, but it does go to illustrate a point

Maine has no scoring punch, and the recruiting over that last couple of years , particularly on the forward end of things, has shown that we have some grinders, but no "hands" People here tend to bash the D, but without scoring, and virtually zero forecheck, you place a huge amount of pressure on the D.. Scoring last year was up and D was able to defend more effectively...even with 27 and 44 there..They are stronger defensively, although 71 seems to want to be the 44 of this year, and 10 is no 27...yet. 2. 3. 16 and 4 are solid defenders, but it's like the ice is tilted...a PP that is 2% effective kills you At 25% effective, they would have 11 more goals....think that would make a difference???? Kerluke is the Offensive coach and the chief recruiter......hmmm any pattern here.. Norman, Ledermark, shemansky, Beattie, Pryor....and for gawdsake let 57 play

All those guys you mention are seniors except Norman. The problems are the senior class is okay at best and junior class is small. The freshmen and sophomore classes are very good in my opinion. If you look at when the seniors were recruited it was a lot longer ago than the past couple of years.

Runsub5
11-08-2012, 10:09 AM
The school did not buy Blodgett out, boosters did.

That's not true from my understanding of the situation. At the time of her dismissal I believe it was stated that the money came from the President's discretionary fund. While this money maybe from private contributions it's not really "booster" money. I interpret booster money to be from supporters of the individual sport and is not part of the University's budget.

all bear
11-08-2012, 10:27 AM
All those guys you mention are seniors except Norman. The problems are the senior class is okay at best and junior class is small. The freshmen and sophomore classes are very good in my opinion. If you look at when the seniors were recruited it was a lot longer ago than the past couple of years.

Makes little difference that the frosh and sophs are talented, we have seen talented players make absolutely no progress under Whitehead, in fact have seen many degress under him. Why anyone would want to come to Maine and play for this guy is beyond me.

BearNecessity
11-08-2012, 11:05 AM
My point is that the recruiting of those Srs is an issue, and Kerluke was and is the Chief recruiter, with Tim's approval. The Srs were not recruited by Corkum..... And even then, have they developed over the time they were here?...that is coaching.... let's be honest Flynn was a recruited walk on...so we got a bit lucky there.. Nyquist is the major win in all this time....Heggerty No, Sirman, No, O'neil only after he got dropped by UNH.....recruiting.......

UncleRay
11-08-2012, 11:18 AM
That's not true from my understanding of the situation. At the time of her dismissal I believe it was stated that the money came from the President's discretionary fund. While this money maybe from private contributions it's not really "booster" money. I interpret booster money to be from supporters of the individual sport and is not part of the University's budget."Abbott said money to fund that buyout will come from private sources (http://bangordailynews.com/2011/03/29/sports/blodgett-ousted-as-umaine-women%E2%80%99s-basketball-coach/) with no tuition or taxpayer funds to be used." Quote from BDN when Blodgett was canned.

If private contributions - "private sources" - didn't come from supporters of women's basketball, where the h377 did they come from? When I say, "boosters" I mean supporters of that sport, not the U in general. I have always understood this to mean that individuals who love the UMaine women's hoop team put up the $$$ (and threatened to NOT put up $$$ for the program) to induce Steve to show Cindy the door.

In my opinion, if Timmay is to be shown the door in early March, his contract will need to be bought out. The cash for that will not come from the U, but from individuals who love Maine hockey and want to see Timmay gone.

KnowItAll
11-08-2012, 03:01 PM
....and for gawdsake let 57 play

I think you meant 51?

as far as I recall, Maine has only ever had one 57... and he IS playing... in the AHL... at least some times Mangene

rufus
11-08-2012, 03:55 PM
UMaine athletic director Steve Abbott said, “We are not on the verge of making any changes. We’re going to do what we can to get better and play more competitive hockey.”



So I guess he's not going to do what he can to make the team better.

Tha astonishing thing to me was that our powerplay is at 2.3%, and still isn't the worst in the nation.

walrus
11-08-2012, 04:26 PM
The school did not buy Blodgett out, boosters did.
I think Kennedy claimed it was discretionary funds, I seem to remember reading that. Maybe those funds came from boosters?

BearNecessity
11-08-2012, 05:04 PM
Good Catch Cinquante et un, 51......I know mangene is making money in the A, but another good year would have helped everyone....ok maybe just the Black Bears...

Runsub5
11-08-2012, 05:06 PM
I think Kennedy claimed it was discretionary funds, I seem to remember reading that. Maybe those funds came from boosters?

That's the way I understood it as well. I also had the impression that it wasn't Friend's of Women's Basketbal money. Private money is donated to the University by alumni and others each year. Some of this money is discretionary money that the President can distribute at his discretion. It could be used for research, teaching, or any other activity related to the operation of the University.

Ma#1ne Hky
11-08-2012, 05:16 PM
The Firing of Blogett was a NO BRAINER,come on a 24-94 record...anyone with a pulse or know how in the College Sports world would have done the same thing that Abbott is getting way too much credit...this was just what he needed...a gift firing to gain attention from everyone from the Media/Fans to the U's current Coaches....from what has been said he(Abbott) spends far to much time in Portland instead of his "HOBBY" at UMaine....maybe a REAL A.D. should take in this weekends games at UML....but not a chance...heck it's just a HOBBY and just another ink blot on his RESUME.

BassAle
11-08-2012, 05:28 PM
"Abbott said money to fund that buyout will come from private sources (http://bangordailynews.com/2011/03/29/sports/blodgett-ousted-as-umaine-women%E2%80%99s-basketball-coach/) with no tuition or taxpayer funds to be used." Quote from BDN when Blodgett was canned.

If private contributions - "private sources" - didn't come from supporters of women's basketball, where the h377 did they come from? When I say, "boosters" I mean supporters of that sport, not the U in general.

It came from the President's fund. It could be used for any purpose, it was not donated to buy out Cindy or even to support Basketball specifically.

carltonbarrett
11-08-2012, 06:39 PM
All those guys you mention are seniors except Norman. The problems are the senior class is okay at best and junior class is small. The freshmen and sophomore classes are very good in my opinion.

Most of these "very good" freshmen and sophmores you speak of have no more than one goal 9 games in. If you want to see REAL talented freshmen and sophmores, look at BC guys like Gaudreau who put up @ 45 pts as a freshman, Atkinson who put up 50+ as a sophmore, Arnold who had like 36 as a sophmore, JHayes who was in the 30's as a sophmore, etc, etc. Even if the upper classes are void of talent, there's no reason a talented underclassman wouldn't be able to score more points than your guys are currently putting up. I think you're mistaken if you think many of these guys are very good. Shore is probably the only one who'd eventually be a top 6 guy for a BC or BU.

Drew S.
11-08-2012, 07:15 PM
Most of these "very good" freshmen and sophmores you speak of have no more than one goal 9 games in. If you want to see REAL talented freshmen and sophmores, look at BC guys like Gaudreau who put up @ 45 pts as a freshman, Atkinson who put up 50+ as a sophmore, Arnold who had like 36 as a sophmore, JHayes who was in the 30's as a sophmore, etc, etc. Even if the upper classes are void of talent, there's no reason a talented underclassman wouldn't be able to score more points than your guys are currently putting up. I think you're mistaken if you think many of these guys are very good. Shore is probably the only one who'd eventually be a top 6 guy for a BC or BU.

As my signature shows, we all know how good you are at prognosticating who is top six material for BC :D

Hockeypuck
11-08-2012, 07:27 PM
The freshmen and sophomore classes are very good in my opinion. The Sophomore class has 24 points in 165 games I don't even think that could be called an average class that's poor anyway you look at it.

UncleRay
11-08-2012, 09:18 PM
I think Kennedy claimed it was discretionary funds, I seem to remember reading that. Maybe those funds came from boosters?Mea culpa. (http://bangordailynews.com/2011/04/25/sports/university-of-maine-president-using-discretionary-funds-to-pay-off-blodgett%E2%80%99s-contract/) The Portland Press Herald is lacking in so many ways. Sorry, I was going off of the information I had and my memory, both of which were faulty.

BearNecessity
11-08-2012, 09:59 PM
Most of these "very good" freshmen and sophmores you speak of have no more than one goal 9 games in. If you want to see REAL talented freshmen and sophmores, look at BC guys like Gaudreau who put up @ 45 pts as a freshman, Atkinson who put up 50+ as a sophmore, Arnold who had like 36 as a sophmore, JHayes who was in the 30's as a sophmore, etc, etc. Even if the upper classes are void of talent, there's no reason a talented underclassman wouldn't be able to score more points than your guys are currently putting up. I think you're mistaken if you think many of these guys are very good. Shore is probably the only one who'd eventually be a top 6 guy for a BC or BU.will someone tell carltonbarrett to go put on his burgundy and gold footie pajamas and write something on a BC blog. And leave us poor wretches alone. We don't need everything to be compared to the vaunted BC...