Nescac '12-'13

[jimmy d]

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Great articles, both, thanks gents

[icehockey]

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Hamilton is a team of the walking wounded. They currently have four starting players injured. A senior defensemen out with a broken foot. A freshmen forward out with a concussion, a sophmore forward out with two broken fingers and a junior forward who has been playing with a broken hand in a cast.
When the injured are healed, they should play better and not be a bottom team.

[CACHockey]

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Tufts, too - Two forwards from the top two lines, out as well as 3-4 other solid contributors.

[neumyer]

There are rumors on the basketball boards that Tufts is looking to leave the NESCAC for the UAA. (Washington Univ, Carnegie Mellon, U of Chicago, Case Western Reserve, Brandeis, Emory, NYU, U of Rochester) While merely a rumor, it is thought that it might be a way to solve their football woes that include the current 23 game losing streak. Since the few schools that play football in the UAA, probably do it at at higher level than the NESCAC, that doesn't seem like a solution. Also, the UAA does not play hockey or lacrosse. If Tufts were to leave, hockey would probably have muliitple options to find a conference....ECACE, ECACW, ECACNE, the lacrosse team could have trouble finding a conference, though. Again, this is all just a rumor, but the size and type of schools Tufts is would make it a logical fit for the UAA.

[d3follower]

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There are rumors on the basketball boards that Tufts is looking to leave the NESCAC for the UAA. (Washington Univ, Carnegie Mellon, U of Chicago, Case Western Reserve, Brandeis, Emory, NYU, U of Rochester) While merely a rumor, it is thought that it might be a way to solve their football woes that include the current 23 game losing streak. Since the few schools that play football in the UAA, probably do it at at higher level than the NESCAC, that doesn't seem like a solution. Also, the UAA does not play hockey or lacrosse. If Tufts were to leave, hockey would probably have mulitiple options to find a conference....ECACE, ECACW, ECACNE, the lacrosse team could have trouble finding a conference, though. Again, this is all just a rumor, but the size and type of schools Tufts is would be a logical fit for the UAA.

This seems to be rather an extravagant way to fix Tufts football problem. Is this because the UAA imposes fewer restrictions on recruiting??? I suppose that the UAA would be a better fit in terms of institution size but so much air travel would be involved -- I think that conference members include such far-flung schools as Emory, WashU and UChicago

[joecct]

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There are rumors on the basketball boards that Tufts is looking to leave the NESCAC for the UAA. (Washington Univ, Carnegie Mellon, U of Chicago, Case Western Reserve, Brandeis, Emory, NYU, U of Rochester) While merely a rumor, it is thought that it might be a way to solve their football woes that include the current 23 game losing streak. Since the few schools that play football in the UAA, probably do it at at higher level than the NESCAC, that doesn't seem like a solution. Also, the UAA does not play hockey or lacrosse. If Tufts were to leave, hockey would probably have muliitple options to find a conference....ECACE, ECACW, ECACNE, the lacrosse team could have trouble finding a conference, though. Again, this is all just a rumor, but the size and type of schools Tufts is would be a logical fit for the UAA.

What's the exit fee for the NESCAC -- 1/20th of the endowment?

[neumyer]

What's the exit fee for the NESCAC -- 1/20th of the endowment?

I,m not sure there is one like D1 conferences. Also, travel for Tufts would skyrocket. As previously mentioned, with fewer restrictions on football, it might be a way out of the hole they are in, albeit against tougher competition.

[d3follower]

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I,m not sure there is one like D1 conferences. Also, travel for Tufts would skyrocket. As previously mentioned, with fewer restrictions on football, it might be a way out of the hole they are in, albeit against tougher competition.

It would be more logical for Tufts just to drop football since it turns out that UAA doesn't really have a football conference. Of course, I don't understand why Tufts has problems recruiting under the existing NESCAC restrictions since it has built-in advantages like that nice urban location and a greater curriculum options for would-be athletes (like excellent engineering programs).

[neumyer]

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It would be more logical for Tufts just to drop football since it turns out that UAA doesn't really have a football conference. Of course, I don't understand why Tufts has problems recruiting under the existing NESCAC restrictions since it has built-in advantages like that nice urban location and a greater curriculum options for would-be athletes (like excellent engineering programs).

With a 132 year football history, I doubt they will drop football and getting to the NCAA is not possible at NESCAC anyway. I think continuing their hockey competition and having a place for their NCAA lacrosse program would be more of a barrier to leaving NESCAC for the UAA.

Tufts garnered national recognition in 2004 for the historical significance of its game against Harvard at Jarvis Field in Cambridge on June 4, 1875. While most sports historians declare that Rutgers and Princeton played the first intercollegiate football game between two American colleges on November 6, 1869, that game was played with rules similar to today’s game of soccer. Players couldn’t run with the ball or tackle opponents. Many sports historians believe football as we know it today was developed at Harvard in the 1870s. This game, known as the Boston Game, included catching and running with the ball, keys to the development of the non-soccer type game in America. Tufts won that game against Harvard, 1-0. (At the time, a touchdown counted as one point.)

[d3follower]

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With a 132 year football history, I doubt they will drop football and getting to the NCAA is not possible at NESCAC anyway. I think continuing their hockey competition and having a place for their NCAA lacrosse program would be more of a barrier to leaving NESCAC for the UAA.

Tufts garnered national recognition in 2004 for the historical significance of its game against Harvard at Jarvis Field in Cambridge on June 4, 1875. While most sports historians declare that Rutgers and Princeton played the first intercollegiate football game between two American colleges on November 6, 1869, that game was played with rules similar to today’s game of soccer. Players couldn’t run with the ball or tackle opponents. Many sports historians believe football as we know it today was developed at Harvard in the 1870s. This game, known as the Boston Game, included catching and running with the ball, keys to the development of the non-soccer type game in America. Tufts won that game against Harvard, 1-0. (At the time, a touchdown counted as one point.)

History thing is interesting -- did not know that about Tufts. Still, since UAA is not a football conference, moving to the UAA would do very little for Tufts in terms of getting to the NCAAs so the underlying logic escapes me. It seems as though several other NESCACs (Trinity, Amherst, Middlebury, and Williams) manage to cope well in the football arena in spite of the recruiting restrictions so it sounds more like a commitment problem on the part of Tufts than a problem with recruiting restrictions.

[neumyer]

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History thing is interesting -- did not know that about Tufts. Still, since UAA is not a football conference, moving to the UAA would do very little for Tufts in terms of getting to the NCAAs so the underlying logic escapes me. It seems as though several other NESCACs (Trinity, Amherst, Middlebury, and Williams) manage to cope well in the football arena in spite of the recruiting restrictions so it sounds more like a commitment problem on the part of Tufts than a problem with recruiting restrictions.

I don't think getting to the NCAAs is the issue for Tufts. They would be happy to win a few games for a change. If they did go to the UAA and play the 4 or 5 members there that do play football and end up winning 8 or 9 games some year, then they would be in line for a Pool B or C as in hockey.

Another question is what would the NESCAC do? When Union left about 30 years ago or so, they ended up adding Conn College as a member. Would they invite another team like Skidmore, Wheaton, MIT, fill in the blank team to join or stay with 10 members. If so, would Bates be encouraged to play NCAA hockey?

[The Real Georgia Peach]

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I've never understood why Bates doesn't play hockey. It would seem like a logical sport, being in the same conference and close by (relatively) to Colby and Bowdoin.

[neumyer]

I've never understood why Bates doesn't play hockey. It would seem like a logical sport, being in the same conference and close by (relatively) to Colby and Bowdoin.

Plus, they have a nice rink on campus.

[CACHockey]

Plus, they have a nice rink on campus.

The rink at Bates is just barely too small to be of regulation size. Rumor has it that the person who funded the project didn't like hockey players and gave the money for the rink with the stipulation that they were never to have a varsity team. The purpose was to have it for the school, for club hockey/figure skating, and as a link to the community (and added revenue for the school). Again, rumors but that's what I have always been told.

As far as Tufts leaving the NESCAC, I think too many of their other sports would be opposed. And I don't see the school wanting to give up that academic title, either.

[polarbear2]

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