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SanTropez
09-19-2012, 08:45 PM
And when did having the best shot equate to highest scoring percentage?

Exactly.

What if the guy kept getting empty net goals, his scoring percentage would be off the charts. over-rated stat

state of hockey
09-19-2012, 08:54 PM
When I see someone with a ridiculous shot percentage, I think "He should shoot more."

Slap Shot
09-19-2012, 10:03 PM
Fortunately the sun should not get too much in your eyes with those maroon and gold colored glasses that you have on, buddy. :)

Nor past your anti-maroon and gold colored glasses, right? ;) (and yes I am well aware that you were arguing in favor of a Badger not a ?ioux)

Fighting Sioux 23
09-19-2012, 11:23 PM
Nor past your anti-maroon and gold colored glasses, right? ;) (and yes I am well aware that you were arguing in favor of a Badger not a ?ioux)

I equally dislike Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Slap Shot
09-19-2012, 11:38 PM
I equally dislike Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Bah.

Fighting Sioux 23
09-19-2012, 11:41 PM
Bah.

Sorry if that bums you out. FWIW the only team I dislike more is DU.

HarleyMC
09-20-2012, 05:42 AM
Arnold's 2 months older than Bjugstad. Fact is, Arnold has a significantly better shot than Bjugstad, and so do dozens of others across the college hockey landscape, including a handful in the WCHA alone. Again, Bjugstad is a great player, but he doesn't even come close to having the best shot in his own league, let alone college hockey.

Better shot? Define for me your criteria of a "better shot" please. Secondly, have seen Bjugstad's shot lately? Have you seen anyone's shot lately?:rolleyes:

beaverhockeyfan
09-20-2012, 08:23 AM
http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/content/bsu-hockey-return-lakeland-tv-2012-13

Regional coverage again this year for the Beavers, at least for their home games! I love the fact that I can get the games in HD with just a simple $8 set of rabbit ears here in the Alexandria, MN area!

From the article:

"All games will be broadcast live locally in high definition on Lakeland’s Primary channel, Lakeland Prime, while the feed will be distributed regionally in standard definition on the Minnesota Channel—a collaborative effort of all Minnesota’s Public Television stations.

The agreement will continue to make BSU hockey live statewide over the air, on Dish Network, DirecTV and on virtually every cable system across Minnesota. In addition, the Minnesota Channel provides statewide coverage in North Dakota and portions of Wisconsin and South Dakota.


This partnership will allow BSU hockey to reach a potential audience of over 5.5 million people each broadcast."

2012-13 BSU Hockey Broadcast Schedule
Oct. 19 vs. Lake Superior State, 7:30 p.m.
Oct. 20 vs. Lake Superior State, 7 p.m.
Nov. 16 vs. Michigan Tech, 7:30 p.m.
Nov. 17 vs. Michigan Tech, 7 p.m.
Nov. 23 vs. Alaska-Anchorage, 7:30 p.m.
Nov. 24 vs. Alaska-Anchorage, 7 p.m.
Dec. 14 vs. Denver, 7:30 p.m.
Dec. 15 vs. Denver, 7 p.m.
Jan. 4 vs. Western Michigan, 7:30 p.m.
Jan. 5 vs. Western Michigan, 7 p.m.
Jan. 25 vs. Nebraska-Omaha, 7:30 p.m.
Jan. 26 vs. Nebraska-Omaha, 7 p.m.
Feb. 1 vs. St. Cloud State, 7:30 p.m.
Feb. 2 vs. St. Cloud State, 7 p.m.
Feb. 15 vs. Minnesota Duluth, 7:30 p.m.
Feb. 16 vs. Minnesota Duluth, 7 p.m.
March 8 vs. Minnesota, 7:30 p.m.
March 9 vs. Minnesota, 7 p.m.

bigblue_dl
09-20-2012, 08:27 AM
http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/content/bsu-hockey-return-lakeland-tv-2012-13

Regional coverage again this year for the Beavers, at least for their home games! I love the fact that I can get the games in HD with just a simple $8 set of rabbit ears here in the Alexandria, MN area!

From the article:

"All games will be broadcast live locally in high definition on Lakeland’s Primary channel, Lakeland Prime, while the feed will be distributed regionally in standard definition on the Minnesota Channel—a collaborative effort of all Minnesota’s Public Television stations.

The agreement will continue to make BSU hockey live statewide over the air, on Dish Network, DirecTV and on virtually every cable system across Minnesota. In addition, the Minnesota Channel provides statewide coverage in North Dakota and portions of Wisconsin and South Dakota."Awesome. I try to catch a few BSU games throughout the year since they're so convenient to watch, and the Gophers get annoying/sickening after a while.

ScoobyDoo
09-20-2012, 08:29 AM
B Jugs > Zengerle

And when did having the best shot equate to highest scoring percentage?

I don't care which player is better. All I care is Minnesota has one of them. Be even better if they had both.

mnstate0fhockey
09-20-2012, 08:46 AM
http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/content/bsu-hockey-return-lakeland-tv-2012-13

Regional coverage again this year for the Beavers, at least for their home games! I love the fact that I can get the games in HD with just a simple $8 set of rabbit ears here in the Alexandria, MN area!

From the article:

"All games will be broadcast live locally in high definition on Lakeland’s Primary channel, Lakeland Prime, while the feed will be distributed regionally in standard definition on the Minnesota Channel—a collaborative effort of all Minnesota’s Public Television stations.

The agreement will continue to make BSU hockey live statewide over the air, on Dish Network, DirecTV and on virtually every cable system across Minnesota. In addition, the Minnesota Channel provides statewide coverage in North Dakota and portions of Wisconsin and South Dakota.


This partnership will allow BSU hockey to reach a potential audience of over 5.5 million people each broadcast."

2012-13 BSU Hockey Broadcast Schedule
Oct. 19 vs. Lake Superior State, 7:30 p.m.
Oct. 20 vs. Lake Superior State, 7 p.m.
Nov. 16 vs. Michigan Tech, 7:30 p.m.
Nov. 17 vs. Michigan Tech, 7 p.m.
Nov. 23 vs. Alaska-Anchorage, 7:30 p.m.
Nov. 24 vs. Alaska-Anchorage, 7 p.m.
Dec. 14 vs. Denver, 7:30 p.m.
Dec. 15 vs. Denver, 7 p.m.
Jan. 4 vs. Western Michigan, 7:30 p.m.
Jan. 5 vs. Western Michigan, 7 p.m.
Jan. 25 vs. Nebraska-Omaha, 7:30 p.m.
Jan. 26 vs. Nebraska-Omaha, 7 p.m.
Feb. 1 vs. St. Cloud State, 7:30 p.m.
Feb. 2 vs. St. Cloud State, 7 p.m.
Feb. 15 vs. Minnesota Duluth, 7:30 p.m.
Feb. 16 vs. Minnesota Duluth, 7 p.m.
March 8 vs. Minnesota, 7:30 p.m.
March 9 vs. Minnesota, 7 p.m.

Cool. Thanks for posting!

gopher wes
09-20-2012, 08:56 AM
The key will be if he can be paired with a true goal scorer. If he is, I think Zengerle wins the Hobey...he's that good.
This point, to me, makes Bjugstad better. Yes, Bjugs was on one of the top lines in college hockey last year so he obviously had a lot of help. However, there is no one else that can single-handily create their own opportunities like Bjugstad can, IMO.

p.s. Bjugstad does have a **** good shot whether you want to admit it or not.:D

p.p.s. I hate to contribute to this debate/argument because I'd rather let it play out and see how it goes, but I just found this point amusing. I can see both sides of this convo.

SJHovey
09-20-2012, 09:04 AM
Better shot? Define for me your criteria of a "better shot" please. I really think that's a good question. I don't think of players like Bjugstand, or Zengerle for that matter, as having great shots. Now, Brett Hull when he played for UMD, he had a great shot. Dany Heatley, a great shot. They'd cross the blueline, wind up and fire and it was in the net before the goalie heard a sound.

You don't see too many of those guys around. In recent years I think you could say Matt Frattin, for one season, displayed one of the better shots we've seen, and Jason Zucker could just snipe it by you from anywhere.

I think of Bjugstad as a player similar to Grant Potulny, but stronger and with better skating. He maybe isn't regularily sniping it as he crosses the blueline, but if you hit him with a pass across the crease, he doesn't shoot it wide or over the net from 12 feet away like a lot of players do. He just sticks it in the back of the net.

I just don't think we see that many "great shots" in college hockey. I don't know if it has to do with better puck blocking skills or what. But that doesn't mean we don't see terrific hockey players like Bjugstad and Zengerle.

Gurtholfin
09-20-2012, 09:17 AM
I don't care which player is better. All I care is Minnesota has one of them. Be even better if they had both.

I'd take B-Juggs any day on the Badgers. Great player. Wish he had left early. :p

Gurtholfin
09-20-2012, 09:21 AM
I think those two are really different players with obviously different skill sets. Every hockey team ever in the history of hockey would love and have a need for both of them.

From my perspective, I see Zengerle as a Patrick Kane type who creates a lot of opportunities for his teammates through his niftyness. Yeah, I said "niftyness." :p

Juggs is a skilled power forward who can create his own opportunities.

I'd take them both.

mnstate0fhockey
09-20-2012, 09:23 AM
I think those two are really different players with obviously different skill sets. Every hockey team ever in the history of hockey would love and have a need for both of them.

From my perspective, I see Zengerle as a Patrick Kane type who creates a lot of opportunities for his teammates through his niftyness. Yeah, I said "niftyness." :p

Juggs is a skilled power forward who can create his own opportunities.

I'd take them both.

Well said. I completely agree.

Fighting Sioux 23
09-20-2012, 09:26 AM
p.s. Bjugstad does have a **** good shot whether you want to admit it or not.:D

Perhaps you should have read further back...


He [Bjugstad] certainly has a good shot

Fighting Sioux 23
09-20-2012, 09:27 AM
Well said. I completely agree.

Agreed as well. I think we both came to this conclusion earlier yesterday before we started talking about Bjugstad's shot.

mnstate0fhockey
09-20-2012, 09:30 AM
Agreed as well. I think we both came to this conclusion earlier yesterday before we started talking about Bjugstad's shot.

Indeed :)

Fighting Sioux 23
09-20-2012, 09:37 AM
Better shot? Define for me your criteria of a "better shot" please. Secondly, have seen Bjugstad's shot lately? Have you seen anyone's shot lately?:rolleyes:

No, I've never seen any of these guys' shots...I just randomly drew the names of Bill Arnold and Jordan George out of a hat and said they were better than Bjugstad...:rolleyes:

As for criteria for "better shot," I'm not exactly sure what I would use, but a lot of it comes down to an eye test (aka I know it when I see it). Look at Hovey's analysis for a good description of that. If you have watched Bill Arnold or Jordan George on a regular basis, you would know what I'm talking about. Again, IMO, Bjugstad has a good shot (arguably the best on the Gopher's squad), and it is part of his game that makes him one of the top 3-5 players in all of college hockey.