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MavsFan
09-19-2012, 03:31 PM
New coach, new system. We'll show up and see what happens. Jutting will be screaming at refs from Omaha's bench.

MCgrad07
09-19-2012, 03:32 PM
1 Minnesota
2 North Dakota
3 St. Cloud State
4 Denver
5 Wisoconsin
6 Michigan Tech
7 Minnesota Duluth
8 Nebraska Omaha
9 Colorado College
10 Minnesota State Mankato
11 Bemidji State
12 Alaska Anchorage

mnstate0fhockey
09-19-2012, 03:37 PM
Arnold's 2 months older than Bjugstad. Fact is, Arnold has a significantly better shot than Bjugstad, and so do dozens of others across the college hockey landscape, including a handful in the WCHA alone. Again, Bjugstad is a great player, but he doesn't even come close to having the best shot in his own league, let alone college hockey.

You really need to learn to drop an argument buddy :)

I may be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but I am going to stand by my opinion until Bjugstad plays a full year healthy. I get it, you don't agree with me. That's fine.

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that Zengerle is a more complete player than Bjugstad, but I certainly think you're entitled to that opinion.

I am not really interested in getting into a full blown debate on any of this as I have a long day of travel ahead. I'll leave it at this. I think Bjugstad is the best player in the WCHA, and just might be the best player in the NCAA. I think he finishes higher than Zengerle in the Hobey voting and is my preseason pick for the award.

Fighting Sioux 23
09-19-2012, 03:41 PM
You really need to learn to drop an argument buddy :)

I may be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but I am going to stand by my opinion until Bjugstad plays a full year healthy. I get it, you don't agree with me. That's fine.

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that Zengerle is a more complete player than Bjugstad, but I certainly think you're entitled to that opinion.

I am not really interested in getting into a full blown debate on any of this as I have a long day of travel ahead. I'll leave it at this. I think Bjugstad is the best player in the WCHA, and just might be the best player in the NCAA. I think he finishes higher than Zengerle in the Hobey voting and is my preseason pick for the award.

Fortunately the sun should not get too much in your eyes with those maroon and gold colored glasses that you have on, buddy. :)

mnstate0fhockey
09-19-2012, 03:45 PM
Fortunately the sun should not get too much in your eyes with those maroon and gold colored glasses that you have on, buddy. :)

I hardly think only Gopher fans share that opinion. But you're free to think what you like.

Fighting Sioux 23
09-19-2012, 04:18 PM
I hardly think only Gopher fans share that opinion. But you're free to think what you like.

I have yet to see/hear/read/etc. one non-Gopher fan that believes that Bjugstad has the best shot in college hockey. Your hyperbole of this kid is slowly reaching into Chuck Norris/Bill Brasky territory.

But go ahead, keep drinking the kool-aid.

ScoobyDoo
09-19-2012, 04:19 PM
Good Lord. I thought when he who will not be named left this crap was over.

SanTropez
09-19-2012, 04:22 PM
I'd take B-jugs everyday and twice on Sunday over Bill Arnold.

Fighting Sioux 23
09-19-2012, 04:24 PM
I'd take B-jugs everyday and twice on Sunday over Bill Arnold.

Do you realize what the argument even is? :p:D:D

SanTropez
09-19-2012, 04:25 PM
Do you realize what the argument even is? :p:D:D

Yeah, I just thought I would throw that off topic statement in. :)

Fighting Sioux 23
09-19-2012, 04:27 PM
Good Lord. I thought when he who will not be named left this crap was over.

:p:D:D

I hear Nick Bjugstad grew to over 9 feet tall. The only problem is now his slapshot is 300mph and shreds the net when it goes in on each shot. The University of Minnesota had to spend over $300k on new nets this past week, and that doesn't even take into account how many panes of glass they've had to replace. He's a man-beast who doesn't sleep. Kids don't dare say his name 5 times into the mirror for the fear that Bjugstad will come and kill their parents with his sniper shot

Gurtholfin
09-19-2012, 04:45 PM
IMO, Zengerle is more like Gretzky, while Bjugstad is more like Brendan Shanahan (not suggesting that Zengerle is the greatest player of all-time, just type of game that I think each is akin to).


I would say Zengerle is more like Jari Kurri and Bjugstad a Mario Lemieux who plays defense (again, loose comparisons).


I would say that Zengerle is more like Denis Savard and Bjugstad is more like Shane Churla.

Hope that helps! :D:p:p

Great thread...

manurespreader
09-19-2012, 05:55 PM
Who's Chuck Norris.;)

mnstate0fhockey
09-19-2012, 07:16 PM
I have yet to see/hear/read/etc. one non-Gopher fan that believes that Bjugstad has the best shot in college hockey. Your hyperbole of this kid is slowly reaching into Chuck Norris/Bill Brasky territory.

But go ahead, keep drinking the kool-aid.

Dude, it's just an opinion. No need to get worked up. Like I said, if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. Chill out. My God.

And I was referring to Bjugstad being the better all-around player. That opinion isn't held solely by Gopher fans.

bigblue_dl
09-19-2012, 07:24 PM
I think that Brady Wacker is the best player in the league.

mnstate0fhockey
09-19-2012, 07:25 PM
I would say that Zengerle is more like Denis Savard and Bjugstad is more like Shane Churla.

Hope that helps! :D:p:p

Great thread...

Sounds about right :p:D:D

Koho
09-19-2012, 07:45 PM
Do you realize what the argument even is? :p:D:D

Reading back through it there were a few points being argued, but focused on shots later. And I would argue that it is more subjective than just scoring percentage. What defines the best shot? I would say a combo of accuracy, power, quickness and versatility of release. Each person is going to place varying emphasis on different variables though. Scoring percentage is as much a function of slot selection and opportunity as ability, so I don't think it is the end all determining factor for who has the best shot (some guys shoot when there isn't anything there and others generally only shoot when they see something). Bjugstad has a pretty dang good shot. I can't say how it rates to others, but can't say I saw a lot last year that impressed me as much as some of his.

Ryan Potulny and Vanek had better shots than any I saw last year though.

mnstate0fhockey
09-19-2012, 07:55 PM
Reading back through it there were a few points being argued, but focused on shots later. And I would argue that it is more subjective than just scoring percentage. What defines the best shot? I would say a combo of accuracy, power, quickness and versatility of release. Each person is going to place varying emphasis on different variables though. Scoring percentage is as much a function of slot selection and opportunity as ability, so I don't think it is the end all determining factor for who has the best shot (some guys shoot when there isn't anything there and others generally only shoot when they see something). Bjugstad has a pretty dang good shot. I can't say how it rates to others, but can't say I saw a lot last year that impressed me as much as some of his.

Ryan Potulny and Vanek had better shots than any I saw last year though.

Agreed. Never meant to start a whole crap storm with that comment. The point I was trying to make before the discussion got side-tracked was that Nick Bjugstad is a pretty well-rounded player. Especially for a big man. Good skater, good hands, good vision, good shot, and plays in both ends well.

I definitely don't think Mark Zengerle is a better player than Nick Bjugstad (and that is not a shot at Zengerle). But if I were to make an argument that Zengerle is the better player, I don't think I would have made the point that he's the better all-around player.

Zengerle does a lot of things well, and some things better than Bjugstad. His vision and puck skills are unreal. But I don't think he's better all-around. Especially if you take into account that Bjugstad is a power forward and can do some things that Zengerle just cannot do.

Both great players though, and I'd be thrilled to have either.

SCSU Euro
09-19-2012, 08:15 PM
B Jugs > Zengerle

And when did having the best shot equate to highest scoring percentage?

state of hockey
09-19-2012, 08:38 PM
Ah yes. A good old Gopher-Badger dick size contest between a Gopher fan and a Sioux fan. Nice.