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Slap Shot
10-04-2012, 01:28 PM
Scooby - I'm not jumping on you just stating that I think BC should rightfully be getting most of the "pre-season #1 attention", but also I do think the Gophers have received plenty of pre-season high grades. And yes I realize you're not someone that goes ga-ga over polls. :)

gopher wes
10-04-2012, 02:08 PM
No worries at all - I believe you heard it and it could happen.
I think you are literally the only other person I've come across that doesn't rip Holl to shreds.

goldy_331
10-04-2012, 02:44 PM
I think you are literally the only other person I've come across that doesn't rip Holl to shreds.

Well SS is a skipper too!

Slap Shot
10-04-2012, 03:03 PM
Well SS is a skipper too!

Dumb, even for a cake eater. :D

Tiggsy
10-04-2012, 03:05 PM
Nearly every prognostication I've seen by category has the Gophers as a national #1 or 2, an NCAA #1 seed, winning the WCHA, votes for player of the year, Hobey, rookie WCHA player of the year, etc., etc. Exactly how have they been overlooked? Just because some fans haven't come out and said OMGTEHGOFRZRTEHGRTSTEVAH doesn't mean they've been overlooked. Either way fans shouldn't care because they still have to prove it out on the ice.

As for moving Holl to forward, he's never played at least not since before HS and all he needs is to get his confidence back. Anyone that watched him in h.s. saw a sound positional defensive player and someone that created offense - both by shooting and by passing. He very well could be moved to F because he has offensive skills and can skate, but I'm not ready to buy into his defensive demise just yet.

I think that was exactly the feeling I was trying to convey. Yes they are getting good media attention but IMHO the fans aren't going too crazy and talking national title.........yet. Fan's shouldn't care, and maybe most don't because hockey fans are just that much smarter than football. :)

jerryj
10-04-2012, 03:23 PM
i think the holl thing was just someone speculating on GPL that holl could make a good forward.. the marshall thing is only speculation as well. i dont think any player/coach has made a comment about who might be moved to forward- and i dont think anyone has moved to forward in practice

mnstate0fhockey
10-04-2012, 03:28 PM
It was just an observation. And I think you know me well enough to know I don't care. Everyone accuses me of being too negative and they I say something positive and I get this. I guess I can't win.

Holl doesn't have time to get his confidence back if he wants to play defense this season.

I agree with what you said Scooby. They have been much more under the radar than past Gophet teams that were rated highly coming into the season.

Tiggsy
10-04-2012, 03:33 PM
It was just an observation. And I think you know me well enough to know I don't care. Everyone accuses me of being too negative and they I say something positive and I get this. I guess I can't win.

Holl doesn't have time to get his confidence back if he wants to play defense this season.

Scooby, I have no idea how you can be accused of being negative with your glass at 85%.

Slap Shot
10-04-2012, 03:40 PM
I agree with what you said Scooby. They have been much more under the radar than past Gophet teams that were rated highly coming into the season.

Dear Parise. Perhaps you'd fit in better with the Jan Crowd.

;)

(btw, I didn't accuse anyone of being negative I said perhaps it's a bit silly to claim the Gophers have not received enough pre-season recognition. Not the same thing.)

ScoobyDoo
10-04-2012, 03:43 PM
Dear Parise.

That Parise guy sure gets a lot of prayers. Be nice if he could actually play some hockey.

gopher wes
10-04-2012, 03:50 PM
That Parise guy sure gets a lot of prayers. Be nice if he could actually play some hockey.
It would be disappointing if he didn't get to play. Finally some excitement around the Wild and we might not get to see them play right away. That being said, it will sure put a nice little Minnesota hockey spotlight on the Gophers and I have no problem with that.:)

mnstate0fhockey
10-04-2012, 04:14 PM
Dear Parise. Perhaps you'd fit in better with the Jan Crowd.

;)

(btw, I didn't accuse anyone of being negative I said perhaps it's a bit silly to claim the Gophers have not received enough pre-season recognition. Not the same thing.)

I never said you accused anyone of anything. And no one is complaining about the lack of attention. In fact, I like many others think it's a good thing.

HarleyMC
10-05-2012, 03:45 AM
Nearly every prognostication I've seen by category has the Gophers as a national #1 or 2, an NCAA #1 seed, winning the WCHA, votes for player of the year, Hobey, rookie WCHA player of the year, etc., etc. Exactly how have they been overlooked? Just because some fans haven't come out and said OMGTEHGOFRZRTEHGRTSTEVAH doesn't mean they've been overlooked. Either way fans shouldn't care because they still have to prove it out on the ice.

As for moving Holl to forward, he's never played at least not since before HS and all he needs is to get his confidence back. Anyone that watched him in h.s. saw a sound positional defensive player and someone that created offense - both by shooting and by passing. He very well could be moved to F because he has offensive skills and can skate, but I'm not ready to buy into his defensive demise just yet.

Overlooked? No, the Gophers are getting plenty of national recognition among the media, fans and coaches, but let's face it positioning historically in season polls doesn't mean squat in college hockey until Jan-Feb. anyway. I think everyone wants to see if they'll play up to the hype.

Here's the preseason GRAND FORKS HERALD WCHA COACHES POLL (http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/246272/group/homepage/) and the Gophers are #1. Nice to see Mike Reilly get a few votes as preseason Rookie of the Year. As in the WCHA Media poll, Bjugs is picked as Player of the Year by the coaches.

I agree with you on Holl Slap, even though you're a totally bias Skipper fan and your opinion is obviously skewed.;) Admittedly, Justin Holl struggled early last season. I recall Lucia mentioning in an interview that he asked Justin at one point early last season, "Why don't you work as hard during games as you do in practice? Look, if you can take care of the puck and work as hard in a game as you do in practice, you'll see a lot more ice time on D". And that was all Justin needed to turn his game around at that point.

IMHO Justin Holl is a lock on defense this season. There's no question, Holl really improved defensively as the season progressed last year and there is absolutely NO WAY Lucia would move him to forward. Moreover, what has really impressed me with Don Lucia's coaching over the years is he's a man of principle and always gives more playing time to upperclassmen over a freshman, if they've really shown improvement.

Holl ended last season tied for second among defensemen with a +18 rating and 4th on the team with 45 blocked shots (Schmidt/52, Alt/51, Marshall/50). He really found his niche moving the puck offensively as well, logging a career high in goals (3), assists (8) and points (11).

One thing that struck me in the Media Day interviews too was Lucia, Helgeson, and Schmidt all commented on how good it was to have high level competition for 6 slots on defense with 9 very good defensemen this season. It just makes everyone work harder. I expect even better things from Justin Holl on D this season.


I think you are literally the only other person I've come across that doesn't rip Holl to shreds.

+2. Everybody else can eat dirt. :eek:

Go Gophers!

SanTropez
10-05-2012, 08:48 AM
So with 9 D and 6 spots who will play regularly and who will sit on occasion or most of the time?

1. Alt - playing, won't sit
2. Schmidt - playing, won't sit
3. Helgeson - playing, won't sit
4. Parenteau - better play
5. Marshall -
6. Holl -
7. Reilly -
8. Skjei -
9. Thompson - will sit


I wish they would move Marshall up to forward, I would love to have Reilly and Skjei get more playing time.

Edit: Don Lucia from media day yesterday


We want to make sure that our top 18 players are dressing. If that says that we’re going to move a defenseman up to forward for a period of time, we may do that,” said Lucia. “If we feel that we have a defenseman that would be the odd man out, and can help us up front, then I would think that player would rather be playing up front than not playing at all.”

gopher wes
10-05-2012, 09:04 AM
+2. Everybody else can eat dirt. :eek:

Go Gophers!
:eek::D

ScoobyDoo
10-05-2012, 09:11 AM
Edit: Don Lucia from media day yesterday

That's pretty much what everyone else has been thinking. Just a matter of who that will be? Marshall, Holl?

Maxwell
10-05-2012, 02:05 PM
I've traveled quite a bit overseas and yeah if you've got an internet connection...there's the good old $9.95 for Gopher All Access with Wally and Frank. Where ya goin'?

The U offers free audio for all games...non exhibitions:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/minnesota.portal#

state of hockey
10-05-2012, 02:37 PM
Parenteau better be playing. Best defenseman we had last year. Emphasis on "defense."

gopher wes
10-05-2012, 02:43 PM
Parenteau better be playing. Best defenseman we had last year. Emphasis on "defense."
But his offense was very clutch.;):D

ScoobyDoo
10-05-2012, 02:45 PM
Parenteau better be playing. Best defenseman we had last year. Emphasis on "defense."

I agree. He's one of my favorite players right now.