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FRICKER
07-28-2012, 10:33 AM
For some reason, I am under the impression that D1 women student/athlete hockey players can transfer from one school to another and play immediately, compared to me who have to sit out a
season under normal conditions. Is this assumption true? Has it always been that way since Title 9? If it has changed, when and why? Thanks.

CrazyDave
07-28-2012, 03:49 PM
For some reason, I am under the impression that D1 women student/athlete hockey players can transfer from one school to another and play immediately, compared to me who have to sit out a
season under normal conditions. Is this assumption true? Has it always been that way since Title 9? If it has changed, when and why? Thanks.
It's mostly true because the NCAA still considers women's hockey a developing sport.

However, some conferences -- like the WCHA -- require the one-year "sit out" for within-conference transfers. Such was the case for the Rachel Drazen when she went from UMD to Minnesota, the Lamoureux twins when they went from Minnesota to North Dakota, and Steph Anderson will sit out this coming season after transferring from Minnesota to Bemidji State.

FRICKER
07-29-2012, 01:07 AM
Yipes...............'s bad enough that women get that advantage, but to have different women's leagues have different rules is alarming. IMO, the NCAA should either allow both men & women a "window of opportunity" some time before Thanksgiving a of a student/athletes Fresman season to transfer once and play immediately, or expand the allowable recruiting contacts beyond the
present four times. That will allow both the college & recruit more time to get to know each other and insure a good fit. From personal experience, four times isn't enough to be sure!

ARM
07-29-2012, 10:20 AM
IMO, the NCAA should either allow both men & women a "window of opportunity" some time before Thanksgiving a of a student/athletes Fresman season to transfer once and play immediately, or expand the allowable recruiting contacts beyond the present four times. That will allow both the college & recruit more time to get to know each other and insure a good fit. From personal experience, four times isn't enough to be sure!The limitation on contacts is imposed on the school; a student athlete may initiate contact earlier or additional times. The rules aren't designed to prevent the student from learning more about the school and/or program, but to moderate to some extent the number of recruiting efforts that a highly-sought player will receive from multiple schools.

brookyone
07-29-2012, 01:21 PM
I don't know that allowing a transfer after the current season has begun to jump and play immediately, so to speak, would be a positive for the sport.

FRICKER
07-30-2012, 04:35 AM
Brookyoyone........so you think it would be better to have a student/athlete who has made a bad decision and is at the wrong school to wollow in misery rather than correct the problem immediately? I don't.

brookyone
07-30-2012, 09:51 AM
Brookyoyone........so you think it would be better to have a student/athlete who has made a bad decision and is at the wrong school to wollow in misery rather than correct the problem immediately? I don't.
No, I don't think I said that. The student athlete should certainly leave the team / school if they're wallowing in misery as you put it. Jump to another team and play immediately? Don't agree with that aspect of your suggestion. I guess I feel there needs to be a level of accountability from the student athlete myself...where I don't see sitting as unreasonable. I don't believe the WCHA imposes a sit rule so that the student athlete wallows in misery for a predetermined length of time. Besides also thinking there's a potential for abuse or just transfers under your proposal more common then would be ideal for the sport and competition. I'd be fine if they allowed the player to play the following season without sitting as well but think any policy should be universal across all conferences...just not the same season as their transfer though.

Needs to be some accountability for that decision...requiring due diligence before making that decision. A little bit of a life lesson aspect to that process as well.

OnMAA
07-30-2012, 10:13 AM
Brookyoyone........so you think it would be better to have a student/athlete who has made a bad decision and is at the wrong school to wollow in misery rather than correct the problem immediately? I don't.

I agree with Brooky.

There should NOT be more freedom of movement as you are suggesting. It creates more problems than it solves. If a student athlete decides one month into a season that they are in the "Wrong spot", they should not be allowed to jump ship to another team right away. Instead, they can focus on school, still be a good citizen and be part of the team in a supporting role, and use the rest of the year to evaluate options for the following year(s), rather than make a rushed decision that you may regret later. Often the grass is not greener somewhere else either.

There is also the question of taking accountability for your own decisions. If you make the wrong one, a great way to learn how to deal with it properly rather than just bailing on the first sign of disappointment.

A few years ago there was a case of a parent of an incoming rookie questioning "on here" what the coach was doing in August, prior to the start of the freshman season of said player. It turned into a smear campaign against the coach. Still to this day it disgusts me that people stoop to that level.

WCHFan
07-30-2012, 12:18 PM
In my opinion...Shame on any coach who would allow a transfer to play after transferring into a season. Should sit out the year.

DedicatedFan
07-30-2012, 01:19 PM
How does everyone feel about a transfer from a D1 program to a D3 program? Should the player be allowed to play immediately upon transferring, have to sit out the remainder of that year, or have to sit out a full year?

Cali
07-30-2012, 02:12 PM
How does everyone feel about a transfer from a D1 program to a D3 program? Should the player be allowed to play immediately upon transferring, have to sit out the remainder of that year, or have to sit out a full year?

Same rules apply in my opinion.

What I find interesting here is that most of these questions are only focusing on the hockey side of the ledger. Mid-semester transfers, academically speaking, are not possible (I am presuming this to be accurate as I have never heard of an instance where it was possible, given different course curriculum etc.). That being said, if a a mid season transfer were to occur, at best the player would only be eligible to play at the beginning of the next semester at the earliest as they would not be enrolled in the school until that time.

I agree with WCHFan that said no coach should accept a transfer under those circumstances.

Cali

OnMAA
07-30-2012, 02:30 PM
Same rules apply in my opinion.

What I find interesting here is that most of these questions are only focusing on the hockey side of the ledger. Mid-semester transfers, academically speaking, are not possible (I am presuming this to be accurate as I have never heard of an instance where it was possible, given different course curriculum etc.). That being said, if a a mid season transfer were to occur, at best the player would only be eligible to play at the beginning of the next semester at the earliest as they would not be enrolled in the school until that time.



I agree with WCHFan that said no coach should accept a transfer under those circumstances.

Cali

I have seen midyear (December break) transfers from D1 to D3 in the past. There was one two seasons ago. IIRC, player was allowed to practice with the new team, but could not play. The example from two years ago was a third year player.

There are also examples of players transferring that no longer have a scholly after a year or two. For example a player that is offered a 2 for 4, but is not renewed after year two. Those transfers usually happen over the summer months.

Personally think that only out of season transfers should be allowed.

NUProf
07-30-2012, 02:45 PM
I don't know that allowing a transfer after the current season has begun to jump and play immediately, so to speak, would be a positive for the sport.

That is permitted in D3 in all sport in which the season extends over more thane one academic term

NUProf
07-30-2012, 02:48 PM
How does everyone feel about a transfer from a D1 program to a D3 program? Should the player be allowed to play immediately upon transferring, have to sit out the remainder of that year, or have to sit out a full year?

They can play immediately after the end of the academic term at both schools.

DedicatedFan
07-30-2012, 03:10 PM
They can play immediately after the end of the academic term at both schools.

By "academic term," do you mean end of that semester or end of that school year? If you mean end of the semester, I think it then also becomes dependent upon whether the D3 league allows the player to play the remainder of the season with the D3 team in that league.

FRICKER
08-01-2012, 03:57 AM
WCHAFan................rather than your broad brush alternative, I would prefer to look at these on a case-by-case basis. I also would consider a cutoff date and/or a max number of transfers allowed per season
or per three seasons.

WCHFan
08-01-2012, 11:39 AM
WCHAFan................rather than your broad brush alternative, I would prefer to look at these on a case-by-case basis. I also would consider a cutoff date and/or a max number of transfers allowed per season
or per three seasons.


Of course there will always be exceptions to the rule. For instance PSU... Just feel that a transfer to a team during the season is not fair to the team that has been working and earning a spot and then bumped and not travel because a transferrring player decided she didn't like school or coach?? Life is tough sometimes. If a transfer wants to come in practice and not play during the season. No problems.

brookyone
08-01-2012, 12:02 PM
I'm a skeptic when it comes to the ability, resources and feasibility...or willingness of a conference or governing body to handle each case of student / athlete transfers on an individual basis and I personally believe rules covering all transfers which a student athlete must adhere to is the way to go. Certainly there are circumstances that occur where, IMO, a student athlete should not have to sit a year, but those too should be specified in the rules. We've seen a couple real world examples of those circumstances very recently when the institutions just pulled the rug out from under those student athletes. Still have to agree with not allowing the immediate, instantaneous jumping onto a different roster with the season in progress.

DedicatedFan
08-01-2012, 12:33 PM
I'm a skeptic when it comes to the ability, resources and feasibility...or willingness of a conference or governing body to handle each case of student / athlete transfers on an individual basis and I personally believe rules covering all transfers which a student athlete must adhere to is the way to go. Certainly there are circumstances that occur where, IMO, a student athlete should not have to sit a year, but those too should be specified in the rules. We've seen a couple real world examples of those circumstances very recently when the institutions just pulled the rug out from under those student athletes. Still have to agree with not allowing the immediate, instantaneous jumping onto a different roster with the season in progress.

There should be strict and consistent rules across the board for all conferences. That would eliminate the unfair or perceived unfair treatment of one player over another … and everyone going in would know what is at stake. The sport is mature enough and there are enough players wanting to play D1 that a strict transfer rule is necessary. We are always saying we want to be treated like the men’s programs, so we should have similar transfer rules. If players want to play in the “big leagues,” they should be held accountable and have some consequences if they decide to transfer.

I think a player transferring from one D1 school to another D1 school should have to sit out the remainder of the year if the transfer is done mid-season, as well as sit out the entire next year. If the transfer is done mid-season, the player should lose that year’s eligibility, but not the eligibility for the year she sits out with her new team. I think a player transferring from D1 to D3 should have to sit out the remainder of the year if the transfer is done mid-season, but should be able to play the next year. She should lose her year of eligibility for the partial season. In both cases, players should be able to practice with their new teams.

Situations where something happens in the program, such as what happened at Niagara or with the Penn State football program, would most likely require a departure from the strict rules.

WCHFan
08-01-2012, 08:26 PM
It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks or feels. It's really up to the coach, player and School. Rules are rules. I would never fault a player if she made a change that was allowed.

I don't necessarily like it but all would forget very soon after except maybe the player who's spot was taken. My daughter had less than desirable Freshmen year. She stayed and is VERY happy with her decision. I also know of transfers that are VERY happy and some that regretted it. If we're talking about you're daughter/son do what feels right.

My opinion is to do what feels right and be happy. Enjoy the adventure!