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d3hockey57
07-18-2012, 06:18 PM
New LFC thread thanks to Mr Dangles (instead of posting in the recruit thread). But Lake Forest is in dire need of a successful season. Being the only NCAA team in Illinois/Chicagoland this school needs to progress. With the new teams in place in the MCHA it is going to be heck of a schedule.

altazo
07-18-2012, 10:59 PM
New teams don't start play in the MCHA untill '13-'14.

Lake Forest actually has a pretty rich hockey history that many schools would love to have. While they have been down for the last five or six seasons (I think they made the NCHA Peter's Cup semis in '05-'06), they are still one of only three current MCHA teams to have made an appearance in the NCAA tourney.

AVFC
07-26-2012, 09:49 AM
Re: Lake. I have heard many fans and people connected to the program complain about the lack of support the school shows the program in the post-Fritz era. What specifically is the school doing (or not doing), that it did in the past when the hockey program enjoyed greater success? Is this an issue of admissions and financial aid? facilities? budget? coaching and support staff? What is different at Lake today compared to six or seven years ago?

D3Dad
08-16-2012, 01:08 PM
Finally the program is getting updated faciltiies but the support for the hockey team is stuck in 1990's. The small school sees fit to support other sports that are in success mode. The issue going forward is building a team, McKelvie needs players and support from alumni to bring the program up to par especially with the addition of teams to the division making it the top division in the nation. Things are moving at a slow pace forward, hopfully tradition will be restored.

hockeyrocks55
08-16-2012, 11:36 PM
i would have hoped that LFC would have brought in more recruits than the site listed. They should have done a smaller version of what CUW did. It would be nice to see LFC build a new rink something like Bowdoin did a few years back. They need to be more competitive. The new renovations to the rink make it better, but do not make them competitive with top schools.

D3Dad
08-17-2012, 10:06 AM
i would have hoped that LFC would have brought in more recruits than the site listed. They should have done a smaller version of what CUW did. It would be nice to see LFC build a new rink something like Bowdoin did a few years back. They need to be more competitive. The new renovations to the rink make it better, but do not make them competitive with top schools. The hockey program is making small steps and know they are not competitive but taking ques from AD and other school coaches at the moment. To move things along the alumni, current players and their parents need to push for more up to date program. Many of the current players come from Junior and High School programs that have more commitment and resources. The rink updates, strength and conditioning coach, new training staff are a start but they can do other things like better lighting for better broad casts of games for recruiting. Marketing the team better in the local area to get kids involved and fill the arean (of course winning is the best medicine). Developing a top notch pitch to recruit with showcasing the fantastic school and a hockey program on the move would be nice. My sense is the kids on the team don't feel like the program is serious about contending... I could be wrong.

Any suggestions or support from readers of this blog are appreciated.

d3hockey57
08-17-2012, 01:38 PM
The hockey program is making small steps and know they are not competitive but taking ques from AD and other school coaches at the moment. To move things along the alumni, current players and their parents need to push for more up to date program. Many of the current players come from Junior and High School programs that have more commitment and resources. The rink updates, strength and conditioning coach, new training staff are a start but they can do other things like better lighting for better broad casts of games for recruiting. Marketing the team better in the local area to get kids involved and fill the arean (of course winning is the best medicine). Developing a top notch pitch to recruit with showcasing the fantastic school and a hockey program on the move would be nice. My sense is the kids on the team don't feel like the program is serious about contending... I could be wrong.

Any suggestions or support from readers of this blog are appreciated.

I completely agree. Improvements have been made but like you said the lighting AND netting along the stands needs to be improved and make it more viewer friendly. (They need that see-through netting that the NHL uses) I have experienced this program since the Fritz era where things were stagnant (not bad nor good), but this team is the only NCAA team in the Chicagoland and needs to be successful!! Theres no reason they cannot take the steps to get to the next level and compete with the Adrain's and SNC's.

MR. DANGLES
08-17-2012, 04:00 PM
Dad...

You seem like your son or someone close to you is a apart of the program.

If LFC was serious about hockey.... would they have a player who just graduated, who was very, very marginal listed as a new assistant on their website?

Also its not only about the hockey, the school at one time was on of the top 60 on the forbes list, now somewhere in the mid 100's? Red Flag?

Anyhow, as for your concern....if your son or close family member is a player there, they will get a decent education, but hockey is relative.

MW49
08-17-2012, 04:07 PM
Marketing the team better in the local area to get kids involved and fill the arean (of course winning is the best medicine). Developing a top notch pitch to recruit with showcasing the fantastic school and a hockey program on the move would be nice. My sense is the kids on the team don't feel like the program is serious about contending... I could be wrong.

Any suggestions or support from readers of this blog are appreciated.

Well its going to take sometime for LFC to win the interest of local kids that are currently playing youth hockey. The local kids have questions as to why some of the local current D3 players took a pass on LFC? Educate, one of the top D3 scorers last season, is from the town of Lake Forest. He went to Nichols and now is at Utica. Why didn't he go to LFC? Then you have another local Dman, Malliaras. Why is he at UWRF and not LFC? Why did LFC's 2011 leading scorer, a local (Bushbacher), leave to go to LU ? You also have another local that attended Lake Forest Academy and went to LU last year. There are many other locals playing D3 that LFC didn't even give the time of day.

Ask a local kid why every 'C' or 'A' on the sweater for the last few years was worn by a Canadian, with the exception of one Badger about 3 yrs. ago. There's not much love for LFC hockey in the local community. Actually, LFC hockey has done little to nothing to connect with players in the local area with the exception of Lake Forest HS whom they let use the LFC ice facility.

hockeyrocks55
08-17-2012, 04:51 PM
I feel that LFC also does nothing in the community to promote more fans to attend their games. They average around 200 or so people a game, which is not very impressive. I will not lie, if you do not know hockey, there games are very boring, and offer no fan attractions or anything. At the very least they could do a light show. Also, if they could do one more thing to improve the arena, it would be to take down that pathetic ACHA Championship banner they hung form the 70's. That needs to go. Also, they need to add some red and black paint around the arena because the all white rink walls to not look very good. Recruiting wise, I though McKelvie would be more impressive than just a few guys. They could easily recruit more from the area, as there is the Chicago Steel (USHL), and Lake Forest Academy (MPHL) right down the street which sends many players on to college and has a pretty good prep team. There are also many decent High School's in the area where LFC could develop relationships with and take players from who want to play college hockey and just need a shot. Also, there are many AAA programs in Illinois, LFC should be looking at. Personally, the only thing I dont like about adding a former player from last year to the coaching staff is that it has poor boundaries. This is a person who used to party and hang out with the guys, but is now there boss he demands respect. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. I feel LFC does hav a good staff though, with the head and 1st asst coach with D1 experience and the 2 asst.'s with d3 playing experience. LFC better get it together because MCHA teams are really on the rise. I would be suprised if LFC beats CUW this year. CUW will become much better this year in a matter of nights from the new recruits they have. That means LFC is again starting outa t the bottom. Finalndia has made significant improvements this offseason along with CUW. LFC and Northland are now similar, but LFC lost to Northland in '11-'12. If LFC turns it on, they can beat Marian, LU, and CUW and FU, but they will have to play very well with no rookie mistakes. Those are my thoughts.....Tryouts will be interesting.

Current LFC recruits:
G Austin Severson
Kenai River Brown Bears (NAHL)
5'9", 180
Seattle, Wash.
48gp, (24-18-6, 2.98, .900)

F Ian Pichel
Kanata Stallions (CCHL)
5'10", 171
Rochester Hills, Mich.
56gp, (8-18-26), 72pim

D Keil Zornow
Kenai River Brown Bears (NAHL)
6'3", 205
Bountiful, Utah
23gp, (3-0-3), 31pim

D Robert Wiener
Traverse City North Stars (NAHL)
5'11'', 185
Williamston, MI
59gp (2-11-13)

D3Dad
08-20-2012, 08:53 AM
Dad...

You seem like your son or someone close to you is a apart of the program.

If LFC was serious about hockey.... would they have a player who just graduated, who was very, very marginal listed as a new assistant on their website?

Also its not only about the hockey, the school at one time was on of the top 60 on the forbes list, now somewhere in the mid 100's? Red Flag?

Anyhow, as for your concern....if your son or close family member is a player there, they will get a decent education, but hockey is relative.

Where to begin hmmm I believe the school is making strides to enhance the educational opportunities and is growing again.

As for the hockey team, nowhere to go but up.

Yes there is a former player on staff to address strength and conditioning, is it the best choice, probably not. Lets just say that the issue of strength and conditioning needed to be officially part of the program instead of player lead. The program is essentially starting from ground 0 so the moves thus far are viewed as duh!, yes thats needed. Most potential players looking at the program come from organizations that are much better organized and funded, causing 2nd thoughts about LFC? An active parents and alumni can help, competing against national contenders raises the bar ..... a lot!

The local relationships need to be rebuilt and can start with honest and open discussions about the past and future of the program....that needs to happen. Seems like there is some interest in a once proud program, so if you can help join in.

MW49
08-20-2012, 12:15 PM
Where to begin hmmm 1) I believe the school is making strides to enhance the educational opportunities and is growing again.

2)As for the hockey team, nowhere to go but up.

3)Yes there is a former player on staff to address strength and conditioning, is it the best choice, probably not. Lets just say that the issue of strength and conditioning needed to be officially part of the program instead of player lead.4) The program is essentially starting from ground 0 so the moves thus far are viewed as duh!, yes thats needed. Most potential players looking at the program come from organizations that are much better organized and funded, causing 2nd thoughts about LFC?5) An active parents and alumni can help, competing against national contenders raises the bar ..... a lot!

The local relationships need to be rebuilt and can start with honest and open discussions about the past and future of the program....that needs to happen. Seems like there is some interest in a once proud program, so if you can help join in.

Point-by-point;
1) YES, the school has increased its enrollment numbers, but the fact is their Forbes academic ranking has gone down significantly over the past 5 years.
2) YES, that's the only direction this team can go, but unfortunately they'll still be hard pressed to finish even 7th.
3) YES, I concur. However, he has unofficially been the teams leader in that area for the past few years and the Foresters have been plagued with injuries during that time.
4) YES, I concur.
5) OOOPS! Run that one by your AD. A few years ago she had 2 former players express an interest in assisting with the Forester hockey program. She either took a pass on their offer for whatever reason, or things fell through. One runs a very well respected skating and skills clinic that is frequented by some of the top AA and AAA youth hockey players in the Northern Illinois and Southeastern Wisconsin area. He is the current skating and skills instructor for the Chicago Blackhawks (NHL). The other former player has a great track record in the same field, has coached at some of the premier local AAA and AA programs, has a reputation as a strong talent evaluator, and would be an asset in recruiting local players and building the LFC image in the local area. Both of these alums are highly competent hockey instructors, and they work during the summer with several of the local DI and DIII hockey players .

Meanwhile, I understand that your LFC AD runs a super summer basketball camp for local kids...

D3Dad
08-20-2012, 02:37 PM
Point-by-point;
1) YES, the school has increased its enrollment numbers, but the fact is their Forbes academic ranking has gone down significantly over the past 5 years.
2) YES, that's the only direction this team can go, but unfortunately they'll still be hard pressed to finish even 7th.
3) YES, I concur. However, he has unofficially been the teams leader in that area for the past few years and the Foresters have been plagued with injuries during that time.
4) YES, I concur.
5) OOOPS! Run that one by your AD. A few years ago she had 2 former players express an interest in assisting with the Forester hockey program. She either took a pass on their offer for whatever reason, or things fell through. One runs a very well respected skating and skills clinic that is frequented by some of the top AA and AAA youth hockey players in the Northern Illinois and Southeastern Wisconsin area. He is the current skating and skills instructor for the Chicago Blackhawks (NHL). The other former player has a great track record in the same field, has coached at some of the premier local AAA and AA programs, has a reputation as a strong talent evaluator, and would be an asset in recruiting local players and building the LFC image in the local area. Both of these alums are highly competent hockey instructors, and they work during the summer with several of the local DI and DIII hockey players .

Meanwhile, I understand that your LFC AD runs a super summer basketball camp for local kids...

You appear to have a pretty clear picture of the situation.

The strength and conditioning coach selection is not even close to the best situation from the workouts I've seen, they would be better served with a more up to date and knowledgable solution (bulk is not the answer).

Upon taking a look at the program last year I was shocked at how bare and dire the situation. To this point, the AD has not acted as one have expected, not sure why but something in Denmark is not right. I have no idea of how and why things are like the are, I just know it needs change.

I'd ask that those reading this blog please help re-establish contact with Alums and local organizations it is critical that these resources are used to build the program back to a respectable level! It is just unbelievable that a program with a rich history finds itself not listening to players, parents and former players. I'm doing what I can but I believe the situation requires louder PUBLIC voices from outside the program to demand better. My experience is that if the program will ask & accept assistance they have no idea how the proud hockey community will respond.

NorthernLite
08-20-2012, 04:43 PM
Unfortunately the apathy that concerns you regarding LFC hockey extends to these very blogs that you hope will stir renewed interest with alum.
A suggestion would be to get the Coaching staff to engage the new/existing parents/fans in a fanclub. If a small but committed nucleus gathers.....and receives support from those running the program...it should add value to the experience and gain momentum over time.

hockeyrocks55
08-20-2012, 07:30 PM
D3 dad, I like your thinking. I also totally agree on the idea of a fan club. Personally, I feel that there is not much to be hidden and if the program wants to improve, they must be honest about how bad it is and make small and large changes. From attending games, I can tell you that there are many things that could make the program better. First off, the games from a students standpoint are probably very lousy. They do not engage the fans and with the way the Foresters play, people often lose interest as the puck is either in their zone or in the neutral zone. That provides for little action or excitement. Obviously, you cannot always change that over night. Also, they need more fans to attend the games and to fill out the facility. They have a new set of bleachers and need to fill them.

I feel the reason they don't get the best players is because the rink is a dump and in result they lose because of not being able to attract quality players. Would a player rather go to Lake Forest or Adrian? Well, LF is a much better and prettier school, but Adrian is a way better hockey program because they win because of top facilities and school support. Those are things LF lacks. Also, I have seen their players, and it is obvious most of them do not work out hard which has to change. The program does not appear to be run professionally.

I feel the 2 main problems are the rink and the overall school support. With improvements there, your recruiting options change and then the wins start coming. The rink needs to be fixed up more also. It looks nothing like a NESCAC rink or Adrian's or St. Norberts facilities. Those are places LF should be competing with.

Also, I will say I happened to be at there try-out for a brief time last year while passing by. I felt a top end H.S. team could have beaten them. That needs to change, and better players need to be recruited. I dont think it is right for any kid to be able to try out for the team. On a side note, having a CCM sponsorship helps a lot along with a new locker room. An AD that is a huge hockey fan would also be an added bonus. Its tough because the team needs to start winning to get support, but in turn they need support to start winning. Also, they need to be entering a tournament every year. There is an MCHA tournament every year near the holidays, and there is also a UW Superior tournament that Finlandia is in this year. That will help with the respect of the program. If they had a better rink, they could host a tournament. They used to do that way back when. Aside from that, hiring a former player from last year as an assistant coach and strength coach is probably not the best idea. I know a lot about working out, and hockey players do not want to really bulk up and look like football players. If that is what they are doing in the off-season, this season will be another last place finish. I wonder why they did that since the school just hired a full-time strength coach?

AVFC
08-20-2012, 09:09 PM
Hockeyrocks I think you are focusing too much on the rink. A rink does not make a program. A really good head coach makes a program. Players will come to play for a coach they really like, even if the school does not have premium facilities. Case in point SNC pre-2000. MSOE and Adrian are the only other schools in the MCHA that even have on-campus facilities. The other rinks are pretty ordinary. Marian plays at a nice facility but it is pretty dead on game nights. LU plays at a small albeit modern rink with poor seating. Northland and Finlandia don't exactly play at the United Center.

Institutional support is important, but a big budget is less important than having admission and financial aid policies that help (or at least do not hurt) a sports program. Now if these policies have taken a turn for the worst since Fritz left, I think you have real beef with the school. It seems, however, that the school still attracts a good number of canucks though, so perhaps policies haven't changed too, too much since Fritz left.

I think McKelvie needs to be given some time to turn things around. Churning through coaches is a very good way to destroy a program. Lake still has a ton going for it and certain comparative advantages over other MCHA schools. They need to get back to exploiting these advantages.

hockeyrocks55
08-20-2012, 10:58 PM
AVFC, yes, you bring up a good point and are right. I imagine I am focussing on the rink too much. I guess the rink is not that bad, just average. I feel that the '11-'12 season is not able to show what McKelvie truly is about since he had little time for recruiting. After all, he was the 3rd head coach in 3 years. However, this year he has recruited a little and will have a team he is fully capable of changing and controlling. After all, he did not really know the team he picked last winter at first since he was so new. Now he knows the guys and what he has. I feel that this year will be true spotlight of what LFC hockey has to offer, though a few years down the road will showcase it more if it is going in the right of wrong direction. They need a 10 win season this year, and hopefully to be above .500. Also, LF needs to be winning games against Northland, Finlandia, Lawrence, and hopefully Concordia. They need to rise above those teams if they want to excel when St. Norbert and Scholastica arrive. From watching, when they are on their game, they are better than Lawrence. For example, there was a time when they were playing smart this versus Adrian and were beating them and tied with them for most of the game. That shows the program is inconsistent, but is hopefully going in the right direction.
This is what I think a good year will look like if the play well. Personally, starting the season at UWSP may not be a confidence booster. From watching them, they usually are inconsistent on weekend trips, but hopefully can do well.
If LF is successful, there schedule should look something like this at the end of the year:

2012-2013 record: 13-10-2..........they may not beat all these teams, but when they play well, this is how their record should look...

Tue 23 at Wis.-Stevens Point LOSS
November
Fri 2 Marian * WIN
Sat 3 at Marian * LOSS
Fri 9 at Concordia (Wis.) WIN
Sat 10 Concordia (Wis.) * WIN
Fri 16 Adrian LOSS
Sat 17 Adrian * LOSS
Fri 23 at Hamline WIN
Sat 24 at Hamline LOSS
Fri 30 Milwaukee Engr. * TIE
December
Sat 1 at Milwaukee Engr. LOSS
Fri 7 St. Mary's (Minn.) WIN
Sat 8 St. Mary's (Minn.) WIN
January
Fri 11 at Northland * WIN
Sat 12 at Northland * WIN
Fri 18 Finlandia * WIN
Sat 19 Finlandia * WIN
Fri 25 Concordia (Wis.) * WIN
Sat 26 at Concordia (Wis.) * WIN
February
Sat 2 at Adrian * LOSS
Sun 3 at Adrian * LOSS
Fri 8 at Milwaukee Engr. * LOSS
Sat 9 Milwaukee Engr. * LOSS
Fri 15 at Lawrence * TIE
Sat 16 Lawrence * WIN

D3Dad
08-21-2012, 08:47 AM
Unfortunately the apathy that concerns you regarding LFC hockey extends to these very blogs that you hope will stir renewed interest with alum.
A suggestion would be to get the Coaching staff to engage the new/existing parents/fans in a fanclub. If a small but committed nucleus gathers.....and receives support from those running the program...it should add value to the experience and gain momentum over time.

It’s nice to see there is interest in LFC hockey, a proud program that has fallen behind. McKelvie needs help building if you are alums be vocal- how about “Tradition never Graduates”. My take is the AD supports what gets the base excited.


NorthernLite – Working on it, Staff is all ears…. We need agitation & action this program has been asleep too long

AVFC – Agree, exploit advantages

hockeyrocks - CCM sponsorship helps a lot…. Not if you don’t have any money to take advantage of price breaks for equipment.

Regarding the rink and facilities, the new bleachers and locker room upgrades are fantastic and first class. The lighting needs upgrading for player safety and better internet viewing. Facilities are only a symptom a check mark on a potential recruit’s intuition. Other check boxes… attendance at games, buzz within student body, gear the players have, workout facilities and other school amenities. If the coaching staff is solid and the players are serious about competing, LFC is an easy sell to top talent from Chicago, US or Canada.

The game experience from a fan perspective needs drastic changing to attract students and build local support. The team needs to be visible and engaged in area youth hockey. Talk to professors maybe have a project for some students in marketing that applys concepts from class to engage local bars, restaurants, banks… etc. Get a DJ or a pep band, have student open skates with disco balls for heaven’s sake. It’s a captive facility make it work for you bring in bands or a comedian. Get/Let the players tweet about games, make the atmosphere around the program modern.

hockeyrocks55
08-21-2012, 12:11 PM
D3 dad, I really like your thinking. I know this rink is not really capable of this, but they need a light show, something simple just with spotlights for when the players come out. That would be cool, and is done at stevens point. Rink wise, it is better. I feel new lighting, some red and black paint on the walls instead of all white IS A MUST and take down that **** ACHA banner! I agree if LFC is solid they will be able to get good recruits, though they did pretty good this off-season. I am actually surprised with their schedule, as it is pretty competitive this year. Is there any news on the season or any changes being made that us bloggers or fans would like? Also, you said the sponsorship is pointless if there is no money for equipment fee breaks.....What do you mean, and do you care to elaborate...Is the program underfunded? Also, they need some new music in that barn...Hopefully this year will be a successful run. I imagine tryouts start Oct. 15th, which is unfortunate since they play a top end team a week later. Also, does the team skate when they get to campus and lift since the rink does not have ice till early October? Thanks....was just wondering because I know many of other D3 teams have captains practices.

Some other cool things LFC hockey could do...

Some other LFC teams have a blog, like the football team. That would really engage fans, and is a very simple and quick fix. People would read it, and LFC could talk about the season and everything form video interviews to Q and A's. That would be a big hit with the fans, and would get the program out there. I highly suggest that. The football and soccer teams do that. LFC hockey did have a twitter, but was never updated. I feel a blog is better in this case.

MW49
08-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Whoa there rocks.:eek: I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Sullivan was the only reason LFC got a few wins toward the end of the season. He's good and he has a quick glove , but he was extraordinarily hot the last few weeks of last year. I highly doubt that he will be able to keep it at that pace through an entire season.

Look for LFC to have some place in the area of 6 wins for the year.:( They may steal one of the two games versus St. Mary's and one of the two versus Finlandia, only because those 4 games are all at LFC. They may get one out of four from CUW and MSOE because its difficult for teams to sweep a 4 game set, and LFC seems to always get one dart in against MSOE.:D I don't see them getting anymore than two wins out of their 6 games with Marian, Lawrence, or Northland, and they most certainly won't sweep any of these teams. Simply, Northland is a small sheet of ice and games there get very physical. The Jacks are much bigger and harder hitters than the Foresters. If LFC has a solid weekend up there they could split the series. Marian and Lawrence both have as good or better goaltenders than LFC. They both have more offensive firepower than LFC. Marian and LU are also deeper than LFC at the blueline. Odds are these 2 teams won't have key players injured when they play LFC this year. Marian and Lawrence are equally talented. Marian is more physical than LFC, and Lawrence is faster than LFC. IF Sully stands on his head during these games LFC could steal one of the four games. LFC will not be able to handle road games at UWSP and Hamline. Those are losses.:mad: Regarding Adrian..... LFC has no chance.;)

Bottom line, every team in the MCHA will be better this year than they were last, and CUW got significantly better. This means LFC will be battling Northland for 7th place.