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  • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    Top 20 Programs by (current) conference affiliation:

    Atlantic Hockey (0):

    Big Ten (4):
    Michigan
    Michigan State
    Minnesota
    Wisconsin

    ECAC (4):
    Clarkson
    Cornell
    Harvard
    RPI

    Hockey East (4):
    Boston College
    Boston University
    Maine
    New Hampshire

    NCHC (4):
    Colorado College
    Denver
    Minnesota Duluth
    North Dakota

    WCHA (4):
    Bowling Green
    Lake Superior State
    Michigan Tech
    Northern Michigan
    So, which of these remaining 20 teams does not have a NC? Actually, we can now scratch BG, and make that 19 teams, although they have NC hardware.
    Last edited by Snively65; 08-31-2014, 10:02 AM.

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    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

      Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
      So, which of these remaining 20 teams does not have a NC? Actually, we can now scratch BG, and make that 19 teams, although they have NC hardware.
      Clarkson and New Hampshire.

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      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

        Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
        No lawsuit...just very busy. I'll have #s 19 and 18 up by Monday. For certain will have the entire list done by October.
        USCHO is a jealous mistress and requires a long and constant courtship. It is not to be won by trifling favors, but by lavish homage to The Greatest Programs of All Time.

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          Originally posted by burd View Post
          uscho is a jealous mistress and requires a long and constant courtship. It is not to be won by trifling favors, but by lavish homage to the greatest programs of all time.
          tick tock monday?!!

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          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

            #19 - Northern Michigan Wildcats
            All-Time Record (Division 1): 761-636-119 (.541)
            NCAA Tournament Appearances: 8
            NCAA Tournament Record: 10-10
            Frozen Four Appearances: 3 (1980, 1981, 1991)
            Best Result: National Champion (1991)
            Most Dominant Season*: 1990-1991 (38-5-4 (.851) WCHA Regular Season Champions, WCHA Tournament Champions, NCAA National Champions)
            Conference Championships: Regular Season - 3 Tournament - 5
            National Championships: 1
            Points Earned - 80.9098
            Change: -0.2038 (- 0.25%)
            Last Season Position: 19 (unchanged)

            The Northern Michigan Wildcats come in at #19. The Wildcats had a frustrating season in 2013-2014, winning just 15 games. Northern Michigan failed to have a .500 winning percentage for the second season in a row for the first time since 1997, which coincidentally was the last time NMU played in the WCHA. However, for a program that has only been playing Division 1 hockey since 1976, the Wildcats have had a tremendous program. The 1990-1991 Northern squad dominated their opposition en route to a National title, and the Wildcats made four trips to the NCAA Tournament in a five year span from 1989 to 1993. Unfortunately for the Wildcat faithful, NMU has made just two trips to the dance in the last twenty years. On the bright side, Northern Michigan returns each of their three goalies from last season, along with 7 of their top 10 scorers. If the Wildcats can regain their winning form, win some hardware, and make more trips to the dance, they can move up in the rankings. For now, they sit at #19.

            #19 - Northern Michigan - 80.9098
            #20 - Bowling Green - 80.4704
            #21 - Yale - 74.1412
            #22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
            #23 - Union - 57.2992
            #24 - Providence - 48.6853
            #25 - Miami - 46.6971
            #26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
            #27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
            #28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
            #29 - Colgate - 31.9207
            #30 - Northeastern - 25.981
            #31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
            #32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
            #33 - Brown - 21.4977
            #34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
            #35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
            #36 - Vermont - 17.4219
            #37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
            #38 - RIT - 9.4061
            #39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
            #40 - Niagara - 7.9213
            #41 - Princeton - 7.1971
            #42 - Air Force - 6.4961
            #43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
            #44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
            #45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
            #46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
            #47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
            #48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
            #49 - Alaska - 3.8568
            #50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
            #51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
            #52 - Army - 1.6052
            #53 - Canisius - 0.6028
            #54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
            #55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
            #56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
            #57 - Penn State - 0.0589
            #58 - AIC - 0.0374
            #59 - Bentley - 0.0363

            *According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)
            North Dakota
            National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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              #18 - New Hampshire Wildcats
              All-Time Record (Division 1): 1177-863-135 (.572)
              NCAA Tournament Appearances: 22
              NCAA Tournament Record: 16-26
              Frozen Four Appearances: 7 (1977, 1979, 1982, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003)
              Best Result: National Runner Up (1999, 2003)
              Most Dominant Season*: 1998-1999 (31-7-3 (.793) Hockey East Regular Season Champions, NCAA National Runner Up)
              Conference Championships: Regular Season - 8 Tournament - 2
              National Championships: 0
              Points Earned - 83.5951
              Change: 0.2513 (+ 0.30%)
              Last Season Position: 18 (unchanged)

              The New Hampshire Wildcats come in at #18. UNH has made more appearances in the National Tournament without winning the title than any other program in the country. Their 16 NCAA Tournament wins are also the most amongst programs without that elusive National Championship. The Wildcats have come very close, advancing to the National Title game twice, and making seven trips to the Frozen Four. Under Coach Dick Umile, New Hampshire has made 18 NCAA Tournaments, and the Wildcats have just two sub .500 seasons in his 24 years at the helm of the UNH program. The sustained level of success has risen UNH up these rankings to the point where they are currently the second best program without a national title, and rank ahead of 4 programs that do have national championships. If New Hampshire were to win a title, they would jump up these rankings even further. They'll have their work cut out for them next season as Coach Umile's squad will return only 1 of their top 6 scorers, but will get the services of netminder Casey DeSmith. It will be another interesting quest for the Wildcats, as they stalk the programs in front of them. For now, they sit at #18.

              #18 - New Hampshire - 83.5951
              #19 - Northern Michigan - 80.9098
              #20 - Bowling Green - 80.4704
              #21 - Yale - 74.1412
              #22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
              #23 - Union - 57.2992
              #24 - Providence - 48.6853
              #25 - Miami - 46.6971
              #26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
              #27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
              #28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
              #29 - Colgate - 31.9207
              #30 - Northeastern - 25.981
              #31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
              #32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
              #33 - Brown - 21.4977
              #34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
              #35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
              #36 - Vermont - 17.4219
              #37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
              #38 - RIT - 9.4061
              #39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
              #40 - Niagara - 7.9213
              #41 - Princeton - 7.1971
              #42 - Air Force - 6.4961
              #43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
              #44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
              #45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
              #46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
              #47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
              #48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
              #49 - Alaska - 3.8568
              #50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
              #51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
              #52 - Army - 1.6052
              #53 - Canisius - 0.6028
              #54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
              #55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
              #56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
              #57 - Penn State - 0.0589
              #58 - AIC - 0.0374
              #59 - Bentley - 0.0363

              *According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)
              North Dakota
              National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                Yep, that sums up my Wildcats (UNH) well, FS; always the bridesmaid, never the bride, I guess. Will be interesting to see if we can hold onto #18 after this coming season. A lot will depend on incoming freshmen making good on their playing time.

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                  #17 - Rensselaer Engineers
                  All-Time Record (Division 1): 1012-897-125 (.528)
                  NCAA Tournament Appearances: 9
                  NCAA Tournament Record: 7-9-1
                  Frozen Four Appearances: 5 (1953, 1954, 1961, 1964, 1985)
                  Best Result: National Champion (1954, 1985)
                  Most Dominant Season*: 1984-1985 (35-2-1 (.934) ECAC Regular Season Champions, ECAC Tournament Champions, NCAA National Champions)
                  Conference Championships: Regular Season - 5 Tournament - 3
                  National Championships: 2
                  Points Earned - 100.4252
                  Change: -2.1948 (- 2.14%)**
                  Last Season Position: 17 (unchanged)

                  The Rensselaer Engineers come in at #17. RPI had a mediocre 2013-2014 campaign, going just a hair under .500 in head coach Seth Appert's 8th season at the helm of the Engineer program. RPI has a tremendous amount of history, but when it comes to being relevant lately, that simply hasn't happened. Since winning the National Championship in dominating fashion in 1985, the Engineers have made only 3 NCAA Tournament appearances, going 0-3 without scoring a goal. It's not the first time RPI has endured a gap in success. The Engineers went 20 years between NCAA Tournament appearances from 1964-1984, and won only 1 NCAA Tournament game (third place game in 1964) between their two national titles. However, it is those two National Championships that place RPI at #17, albeit the lowest ranked multi-title winner. For RPI to rise back up the rankings, they will need to put more hardware in the trophy cases. That will be tricky in the upcoming season, as RPI plays in the brutal ECAC, and returns just 2 of their top 6 scorers from a season ago. Senior Netminder Scott Diebold will look to put the Engineers on his back. If they can make some noise and have a solid season, RPI has a chance to move up in the rankings. For now, they sit at #17.

                  #17 - Rensselaer - 100.4252
                  #18 - New Hampshire - 83.5951
                  #19 - Northern Michigan - 80.9098
                  #20 - Bowling Green - 80.4704
                  #21 - Yale - 74.1412
                  #22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
                  #23 - Union - 57.2992
                  #24 - Providence - 48.6853
                  #25 - Miami - 46.6971
                  #26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
                  #27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
                  #28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
                  #29 - Colgate - 31.9207
                  #30 - Northeastern - 25.981
                  #31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
                  #32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
                  #33 - Brown - 21.4977
                  #34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
                  #35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
                  #36 - Vermont - 17.4219
                  #37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
                  #38 - RIT - 9.4061
                  #39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
                  #40 - Niagara - 7.9213
                  #41 - Princeton - 7.1971
                  #42 - Air Force - 6.4961
                  #43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
                  #44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
                  #45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
                  #46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
                  #47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
                  #48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
                  #49 - Alaska - 3.8568
                  #50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
                  #51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
                  #52 - Army - 1.6052
                  #53 - Canisius - 0.6028
                  #54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
                  #55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
                  #56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
                  #57 - Penn State - 0.0589
                  #58 - AIC - 0.0374
                  #59 - Bentley - 0.0363

                  *According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)

                  **Each season I go back through and triple check the data to ensure that it is correct. Given the vast amount of data used, there is usually a mistake or two that I catch that results in a team either gaining or losing points that they normally would not have. This year, I found that I had incorrectly counted RPI's Regular Season conference championships (counted their Tri-State League titles while they were playing in the ECAC). That resulted in them losing about a couple points. This season, they would have accrued about 1/4 of a point.
                  North Dakota
                  National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                  • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
                    Yep, that sums up my Wildcats (UNH) well, FS; always the bridesmaid, never the bride, I guess. Will be interesting to see if we can hold onto #18 after this coming season. A lot will depend on incoming freshmen making good on their playing time.


                    No DeSmith though

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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                      Originally posted by BBDiehard14 View Post
                      No DeSmith though
                      The post was written prior to DeSmith's suspension, but your point remains valid. New Hampshire will have a difficult season ahead of them if they do not get consistent play from their netminder...whoever that is.
                      North Dakota
                      National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                        Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                        Senior Netminder Scott Diebold will look to put the Engineers on his back. If they can make some noise and have a solid season, RPI has a chance to move up in the rankings. For now, they sit at #17.
                        While I agree with most of your post, RPI's best chance is if Jason Kasdorf returns to his form of 2012-13 after his early season-ending injury last fall, and relegates Diebold to the backup position again.
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                        • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                          The post was written prior to DeSmith's suspension, but your point remains valid. New Hampshire will have a difficult season ahead of them if they do not get consistent play from their netminder...whoever that is.
                          Likely to be another freshman, Adam Clark.

                          But, yikes, that is a huge point difference between UNH and RPI.
                          Last edited by Snively65; 09-09-2014, 02:11 PM.

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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                            Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
                            Likely to be another freshman, Adam Clark.

                            But, yikes, that is a huge point difference between UNH and RPI.
                            A National Title would cure that gap. Even a runner-up finish in the right set of circumstances would probably pull UNH ahead of RPI.
                            North Dakota
                            National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                              Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                              While I agree with most of your post, RPI's best chance is if Jason Kasdorf returns to his form of 2012-13 after his early season-ending injury last fall, and relegates Diebold to the backup position again.
                              Either way, RPI will need to get top notch goaltending if they want to compete for hardware this season in the ECAC.

                              It's amazing how cyclical college hockey can be. Just 3 years ago, the ECAC was the laughing stock of the sport. Now the conference is the on top of the hill. Maybe that's the writing on the wall that RPI is due for another stretch of dominance?
                              North Dakota
                              National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                                Or, maybe Brown, or Princeton!

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