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Euler18
08-24-2012, 11:40 AM
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Guys, how about some perspective. This is a teenager we are talking about. Not some middle-aged 40 year old. Teenagers make short-sighted decisions, they change their minds, they do all sorts of things they would never do once they undergo the life experiences and the subsequent learnings that come with time and age.

This absolutely stinks for Brown. And if this happened to the school I follow, I'd be PO'd as well. But let's flip the switch here for a second. If Roy was your kid, and he had a change of heart about the next 4 years of his life, would your answer be "Tough break kid?"

Except that the process of decomitting from Brown, which included quite a bit of deception, was managed by adults with questionable ethics, who set an awful example for the younger guys.

Euler18
08-24-2012, 11:48 AM
Good take Bothman. Last time I checked, this was still America, where people have the right to change their mind.

Yes, but only as contracts permit. And a contract is an agreement (meeting of the minds) between two parties, for which both parties receive consideration. Contracts can't be voided unilaterally simply because one the parties "changed his mind." The other party is entitled to compensation.

Pierre LaRondelle
08-24-2012, 11:53 AM
Saw Brown was a finalist for NH star JD Dudek (who committed to Boston College recently).

Brown did well in the swimsuit competition but Boston College did better in the evening gown and the final question.

Wicked Slappaahs
08-24-2012, 03:05 PM
Yes, but only as contracts permit. And a contract is an agreement (meeting of the minds) between two parties, for which both parties receive consideration. Contracts can't be voided unilaterally simply because one the parties "changed his mind." The other party is entitled to compensation.Of course thats true. But the kid never received any real consideration, (no tuition, no room and board, no hockey sticks) unless you want to argue tha the school holding a place for him in the Class was consideration. I'm sure they didn't have a hard time filling his spot... so there are no damages. I sure wouldn't want to go to court with that argument as Bruno's attorney...I can already see the judge staring down his/her glasses.

Not to mention if you ever did bring this to court, recruits (young ones especially) would steer clear of committing to even visiting your school, nevermind agreeing to attend it.

Brown09
08-24-2012, 03:07 PM
Kevin and Derick Roy have been nominated for the Wickham Hardwood Floor Young Elite Program. It appears to be a scholarship program for young Canadian athletes. Both Kevin and Derick are listed as students at Northeastern University, but Derick's autobiography includes the following very curious sentence:

"itís very important to me that I continue my studies for as long as I can. Therefore, when I received an offer from Brown, one of the most prestigious universities in the U.S., I immediately accepted."

I don't intend to pscyhoanalyse the kid, but it looks like his heart is still on College Hill, not on Huntington Avenue...

Here are the links:

Derick: http://www.wickhamhardwood.com/Young-Elite-Program/Derick-Roy/Derick-Roy.aspx

Kevin: http://www.wickhamhardwood.com/Young-Elite-Program/Kevin-Roy/Kevin-Roy.aspx

Incidentally, Kevin says he'll start his studies at Northeastern in the spring.

Brown09
08-24-2012, 03:13 PM
Last time I checked, this was still America, where people have the right to change their mind. Does his decision suck for Bruno? Sure does. Should he be trashed for doing so? Nope.

Everybody can change his or her mind, but once a written or verbal contract is agreed upon (and verbal contracts are as enforceable as written contracts), one can't simply walk out of it because s/he just feels like. There are consequences.

Wicked Slappaahs
08-24-2012, 03:21 PM
Everybody can change his or her mind, but once a written or verbal contract is agreed upon (and verbal contracts are as enforceable as written contracts), one can't simply walk out of it because s/he just feels like. There are consequences.As I wrote in #326, if you really want to play barrister with this... the kid never received any consideration, other than the school holding a place in the class for him. I 'm willing to bet that the admissions dept. didnt have any trouble filling that spot, so the school has no monetary damages and no "pain and suffering" other than being minus one stud recruit, which does indeed suck, but isn't grounds for a suit.

Wicked Slappaahs
08-24-2012, 03:23 PM
Kevin and Derick Roy have been nominated for the Wickham Hardwood Floor Young Elite Program. It appears to be a scholarship program for young Canadian athletes. Both Kevin and Derick are listed as students at Northeastern University, but Derick's autobiography includes the following very curious sentence:

"itís very important to me that I continue my studies for as long as I can. Therefore, when I received an offer from Brown, one of the most prestigious universities in the U.S., I immediately accepted."

I don't intend to pscyhoanalyse the kid, but it looks like his heart is still on College Hill, not on Huntington Avenue...

Here are the links:

Derick: http://www.wickhamhardwood.com/Young-Elite-Program/Derick-Roy/Derick-Roy.aspx

Kevin: http://www.wickhamhardwood.com/Young-Elite-Program/Kevin-Roy/Kevin-Roy.aspx

Incidentally, Kevin says he'll start his studies at Northeastern in the spring.
Unless the folks at the Greater Quebec Hardwood Flooring Council just dreamt this contest up at the skate shop last night, I'm guessing this has been in the works awhile, with candidates months ago submitting statements supporting their candidacy, hence the dated bio info.

But you can continue to grip the reigns tightly, if you must...

Brown09
08-24-2012, 03:27 PM
Of course thats true. But the kid never received any real consideration, (no tuition, no room and board, no hockey sticks) unless you want to argue tha the school holding a place for him in the Class was consideration. I'm sure they didn't have a hard time filling his spot... so there are no damages. I sure wouldn't want to go to court with that argument as Bruno's attorney...I can already see the judge staring down his/her glasses.

Are you for real? Brown reportedly gave each kid a $50,000 scholarship for four years, whether they played hockey or not. Such offers are part of acceptance letters. The Roys accepted the offer from Brown in writing. Once they did, Brown couldn't change its mind any longer. Please, keep in mind that each Roy also received a recruiting slot, which moved them over many talented kids with straight A academic averages who didn't get in. Imagine how much an admission slot to Brown would be worth if it could be traded in the open market. Brown receives 30,000 applications for 1,500 spots. An admission slot to Brown is a very valuable commodity.

So this is the consideration: in recognition of their hockey talent, the Roys were given places in the class of 2016 plus $200,000 each in scholarship money. I understand they're good students, who attended excellent prep schools, but it's fair to assume that without that valuable recruiting slot, they wouldn't have gotten into Brown. Being even an outstanding student doesn't ensure admission to Brown. As someone has said, the Ivies are known for turning down hundreds of valedictorians. So, the Roys received quite a bit of consideration.

Brown09
08-24-2012, 03:34 PM
Unless the folks at the Greater Quebec Hardwood Flooring Council just dreamt this contest up at the skate shop last night, I'm guessing this has been in the works awhile, with candidates months ago submitting statements supporting their candidacy, hence the dated bio info.

But you can continue to grip the reigns tightly, if you must...

Obviously you can't read. I said that the autobiographies mention that the Roys are students at Northeastern, so it's fair to assume that the texts were written over the past thirty days. But Derick's autobiography, even though it states that he's a goaltender at Northeastern University, also includes the curious sentence about his acceptance to Brown. It appears that Brown is still on the kid's mind. It has been reported by someone on this thread that Derick was in tears when he called coach Whittet about the decommitment. I would be, too, if my family had decided that I should turn Brown down to attend Northeastern.

LynahFan
08-24-2012, 03:38 PM
Are you for real? Brown reportedly gave each kid a $50,000 scholarship for four years, whether they played hockey or not. Such offers are part of acceptance letters. The Roys accepted the offer from Brown in writing. Once they did, Brown couldn't change its mind any longer. Please, keep in mind that each Roy also received a recruiting slot, which moved them over many talented kids with straight A academic averages who didn't get in. Imagine how much an admission slot to Brown would be worth if it could be traded in the open market. Brown receives 30,000 applications for 1,500 spots. An admission slot to Brown is a very valuable commodity.

So this is the consideration: in recognition of their hockey talent, the Roys were given places in the class of 2016 plus $200,000 each in scholarship money. I understand they're good students, who attended excellent prep schools, but it's fair to assume that without that valuable recruiting slot, they wouldn't have gotten into Brown. Being even an outstanding student doesn't ensure admission to Brown. As someone has said, the Ivies are known for turning down hundreds of valedictorians. So, the Roys received quite a bit of consideration.You really need to educate yourself about a great many topics. Suffice it to say that's not how athletic scholarships work, even at schools which have them, which Brown doesn't. I agree that an admission slot is valuable - but they already gave it back (still in its original packaging!) so Brown didn't really lose anything.

Wicked Slappaahs
08-24-2012, 03:45 PM
Are you for real? Brown reportedly gave each kid a $50,000 scholarship for four years, whether they played hockey or not. Such offers are part of acceptance letters. The Roys accepted the offer from Brown in writing. Once they did, Brown couldn't change its mind any longer. Please, keep in mind that each Roy also received a recruiting slot, which moved them over many talented kids with straight A academic averages who didn't get in. Imagine how much an admission slot to Brown would be worth if it could be traded in the open market. Brown receives 30,000 applications for 1,500 spots. An admission slot to Brown is a very valuable commodity.

So this is the consideration: in recognition of their hockey talent, the Roys were given places in the class of 2016 plus $200,000 each in scholarship money. I understand they're good students, who attended excellent prep schools, but it's fair to assume that without that valuable recruiting slot, they wouldn't have gotten into Brown. Being even an outstanding student doesn't ensure admission to Brown. As someone has said, the Ivies are known for turning down hundreds of valedictorians. So, the Roys received quite a bit of consideration.
Brown isn't out a **** thing other than a bruised ego in the hockey office. The kids didn't spend a dime of the supposed $200k each you say the school is out. Please, show me the two empty seats in the freshman orientation seminars ..."Oh, what's that you say? There aren't any empty seats?" That's because the spots they were "given" in the class of 2016 were FILLED by academically qualified kids who are likely paying most or all of their tuition, so the institution is actually making out BETTER financially.

This is a spilled milk argument. When you get into the tall grass recruiting blue chippers, this is the risk you take. No one knows that better than Whittet. Get over it already.

Wicked Slappaahs
08-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Obviously you can't read. I said that the autobiographies mention that the Roys are students at Northeastern, so it's fair to assume that the texts were written over the past thirty days. But Derick's autobiography, even though it states that he's a goaltender at Northeastern University, also includes the curious sentence about his acceptance to Brown. It appears that Brown is still on the kid's mind. It has been reported by someone on this thread that Derick was in tears when he called coach Whittet about the decommitment. I would be, too, if my family had decided that I should turn Brown down to attend Northeastern. I can hear your teeth grinding from here...really dude, ya gotta let it go...

kdiff77
08-24-2012, 11:01 PM
Hey, everyone who's not a Brown fan...you can leave now! Don't let the door hit you in the *** on your way out. And please, do hesitate to return.

And Brown fans, it's time to talk hockey. The Roys are gone. Dang. Tough bananas. But we've got a very promising hockey team and a young coach who is sure to turn this slap in the face into motivation to get his team ready for this year. So let's talk about that.

And stay tuned, I plan on posting some new content to the blog in the coming days.

Mike Hutter
08-26-2012, 10:04 AM
And Brown fans, it's time to talk hockey. The Roys are gone. Dang. Tough bananas. But we've got a very promising hockey team and a young coach who is sure to turn this slap in the face into motivation to get his team ready for this year. So let's talk about that.

Let's Go Bruno!! How abour this:

http://news.providencejournal.com/sports/college/2012/08/brown-hockey-palyers-nominated-for-ncaa-award-of-valor.html

Mike Hutter
08-26-2012, 10:07 AM
Good site for comments on ECAC teams. Brown should be soon:

http://www.withoutapeer.com/

Ralph Baer
08-26-2012, 12:12 PM
Good site for comments on ECAC teams. Brown should be soon:

http://www.withoutapeer.com/ I would predict that Tom will have it up on Wednesday. :D

Mike Hutter
08-26-2012, 02:27 PM
I would predict that Tom will have it up on Wednesday. :D

Thanks Ralph.

Euler18
08-28-2012, 09:54 AM
Hey, everyone who's not a Brown fan...you can leave now! Don't let the door hit you in the *** on your way out. And please, do hesitate to return.

Yes!

Euler18
08-28-2012, 09:58 AM
Good site for comments on ECAC teams. Brown should be soon:

http://www.withoutapeer.com/

This is an excellent site. Tom Reale is knowledgeable and fair-minded.