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Humanoid
07-27-2012, 02:33 PM
This comparing education stuff is crazy, all of the schools mentioned in the thread are quality institutions. I'm proud of my Brown degree as well, but we all know the further you go along in your career it is all about what you have done......and what you can offer, not the name of a school on a sheet of paper.

I don't wish that the Roy rot in hell, but there could be a big impact on the program as a whole with this one high profile player leaving the program. I had anticipated with the excitement around this player, we would initially see an increased interest from alums and the students at the early games this season. If winning were to follow, and Meehan was a packed house again - everyone knows that the whole experience changes for the players, the students, the alumns.......and for future players that are considering Brown. I was hoping that a marquee player like Roy might draw another really high profile prospect or two at Brown over the next few years that would really solidify the program. Based on reports, we have a solid incoming freshman class - but Roy was a potential game changer both on and off the ice.

To the first piece - agree. I did not go to an Ivy League institution, and BU, NU, and Brown are all substantially higher on the academic scale compared to my mealy-mouthed state school education. And believe me, I'll be the first one to both knock and stick up for my crappy state education. The fact remains that I have a degree, and in the end, it didn't matter for my career path where I got it from. I, in fact, work for a boss who never went to college, so I think it's really splitting hairs if you're ranked 43rd, 12th, or 58th. If you went to any school, that's admirable in and of itself since a degree requires work. And I have a fairly good job in an office in a white-collar environment. And I'm fairly certain I got this job over an Ivy League graduate.

I hate it when people start doing all this crap about "your school isn't my school." The elitist mentality is befitting all of those schools who perpetuate that stereotype. As someone who couldn't get into any of those aforementioned schools, I'm perfectly happy to say I got a darn good degree at a state school, and I've carved a very good living out. The fact that people still thumb their noses at others for where they went to school is nothing more than Ivy League or mini-Ivy, or, *GASP* wanna-be Ivy crap.

The fact remains that a student-athlete can still walk out of college with a degree from a university that is a top-rated college. And whether it's Brown, Northeaster, Boston College, Boston University, or anywhere else like that -- there's still something to be said about that. Take it from someone who didn't have the chance to go to a top-100 school. The ranking isn't everything.

I digress from my first rant to the second part:

I think the argument has digressed from how a player handled the situation to the fact that he screwed Brown. I think, also, that a number of people have lost sight over what the hockey team does. Yes, the hockey team lost a recruit who probably would've been a good player. But, again, I reiterate that the team can still be a collective unit and that one player does not make the entire team. At the same time, while people are saying, "Oh Roy doesn't want to go to Brown because they stink," they're valuing wins and losses over something else. Brown produced a perfect 1,000 in the APR, something BU didn't do, and something NU or UVM definitely didn't do. So, in the end, Brown should only want players who are committed to getting a degree and committed to the program.

Roy isn't committed? Good. See ya later. Don't need you anyways. I don't care how much talent the guy has. Whatever his reasons for leaving are - they're his reasons. I'm not him. I don't even care what he wants to do. He wants to leave? Good. Great. Adios amigo. Good luck, best wishes, and you get to do whatever it is that makes you happy. Like any "employer," you never want to look at someone and say "this is the biggest mistake of your life." You got your reasons, and you have to realize how to accept the consequences of doing making your decision.

We don't care if you're here or if you're at VM, NU, Bentley, AIC, or Quebec. The fact remains that you get to live with your decision to do this 2 months before the school year. You have to realize how that appears.

kdiff77
07-27-2012, 03:11 PM
JMO, but I don't see any advantage in going from Brown to Northeastern.

Matthews Arena!

kdiff77
07-27-2012, 03:12 PM
If this recruit happens to go to a school you will be playing, are you going to boo him whenever he touches the puck?

Vociferously.

UVM Cat in Texas
07-27-2012, 03:20 PM
Vociferously.
Nice word choice! Are you a Brown grad? :)

kdiff77
07-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Nice word choice! Are you a Brown grad? :)

Well, you sure can't learn a word like that at a school like Northeastern or Vermont! :p

I kid, I kid.

Split-N
07-27-2012, 07:56 PM
Well, you sure can't learn a word like that at a school like Northeastern or Vermont! :p

I kid, I kid.

Ah, the natterings of a flibbertigibbet!:p

kdiff77
07-27-2012, 11:23 PM
Ah, the natterings of a flibbertigibbet!:p

Your prognosis is preposterous!

SkinsFan09
07-28-2012, 02:06 AM
So now it's a thread of Jackie Chiles quotes!

kdiff77
07-28-2012, 10:36 AM
So now it's a thread of Jackie Chiles quotes!

Better than debating the merits of a handful of terrific schools.

SkinsFan09
07-28-2012, 12:32 PM
Better than debating the merits of a handful of terrific schools.

Hey, I love Seinfeld.

LTsatch
07-29-2012, 07:21 PM
This would have been a marginal thread title at the beginning of last season.

Brown Hockey 2012-2013:Climbing the ECAC Ladder

Brown final standing rank in ECAC last 7 years

2006 12th
2007 11th
2008 Tie for 10th with 2 others at bottom of league standings
2009 12th
2010 11th
2011 9th
2012 12th

I think the ladder may lying on the ground horizontally.

Brown lost some really good players last year, I don't expect much more than the usual hard nosed not quite there yet play.

D.Leo
07-29-2012, 08:13 PM
The wing, is still on their roster. He's listed as 5'10 (maybe he is). If he were that tall I think he may have been considerably more than a 4th rd pick? Really amazing firepower at Lincoln.

* I like Brown. The wing would have too.

kdiff77
07-29-2012, 11:52 PM
This would have been a marginal thread title at the beginning of last season.

Brown Hockey 2012-2013:Climbing the ECAC Ladder

Brown final standing rank in ECAC last 7 years

2006 12th
2007 11th
2008 Tie for 10th with 2 others at bottom of league standings
2009 12th
2010 11th
2011 9th
2012 12th

I think the ladder may lying on the ground horizontally.

Brown lost some really good players last year, I don't expect much more than the usual hard nosed not quite there yet play.

Nobody asked you to come in here to critique the name of our thread. We Brunonians are PROUD of our horizontal ladders, and we have no interest in what you Elis consider to be a proper ladder.

Ok, now I'll respond in a serious manner. You're certainly correct in that we haven't made much progress as far as the standings are concerned these past few years. But you won't find a single Brown fan who doesn't have faith in Brendan Whittet and the process he is currently bringing the program through. It might even be another couple years or so before we start to "climb the ladder," but you have to remember that he started from scratch here, and is building a sustainable program, rather than a flash in the pan. Last year was frustrating for all of us after a promising 2010-2011, and I was very over critical of Whittet and the team. But I think we can all agree now that patience is a key with this young, but talented, team.

LTsatch
07-30-2012, 11:12 AM
Nobody asked you to come in here to critique the name of our thread. We Brunonians are PROUD of our horizontal ladders, and we have no interest in what you Elis consider to be a proper ladder.

Ok, now I'll respond in a serious manner. You're certainly correct in that we haven't made much progress as far as the standings are concerned these past few years. But you won't find a single Brown fan who doesn't have faith in Brendan Whittet and the process he is currently bringing the program through. It might even be another couple years or so before we start to "climb the ladder," but you have to remember that he started from scratch here, and is building a sustainable program, rather than a flash in the pan. Last year was frustrating for all of us after a promising 2010-2011, and I was very over critical of Whittet and the team. But I think we can all agree now that patience is a key with this young, but talented, team.

Believe it or not, I like the way Whittet has the team playing, he certainly gets them up for the big games. They need to win some the games that no one seems to care about though. Maddeningly inconsistent results. I saw both Brown games against Yale last year, and believe me, they did not look like a last place team. I admit I had to write the original post to tweak some of the Bruno Eli haters on here, just a little fun before the season. I have no idea what to expect from Yale this year, soooo young.

kdiff77
07-30-2012, 02:31 PM
Believe it or not, I like the way Whittet has the team playing, he certainly gets them up for the big games. They need to win some the games that no one seems to care about though. Maddeningly inconsistent results. I saw both Brown games against Yale last year, and believe me, they did not look like a last place team. I admit I had to write the original post to tweak some of the Bruno Eli haters on here, just a little fun before the season. I have no idea what to expect from Yale this year, soooo young.

You're spot on with these remarks. Maddeningly inconsistent, indeed. For instance: sweep Frozen Four finalist Union, and get swept (and shutout) by eventual 10th-place finisher RPI, who looked historically bad all season before a strong finish? What IS that?

I love that we can win big games (like our upset of top-ranked Yale in 2011), but hate that we usually fail to show up against the teams that are probably equal to our skill level, if not lesser. Whatever Whittet says to them before big games, he needs to say it every game.

I also have no idea what to expect from Yale. I can't see them getting a bye and they might even struggle for home ice, if the young guys can't grow up real quick.

SkinsFan09
07-30-2012, 05:27 PM
This waiting is absurd. I'd bet he already knew where he was going before he de-committed. Waiting a week or two won't make any rational people think otherwise.

defkit
07-30-2012, 07:16 PM
This waiting is absurd. I'd bet he already knew where he was going before he de-committed. Waiting a week or two won't make any rational people think otherwise.

My guess is he is just waiting to be sure he gets through the actual admission process successfully before saying anything, lest he have to announce another change. But I have no inside info. Clearly the list of options is very small. Perhaps the whole brother duo aspect is adding another time element.

Brown09
07-30-2012, 07:58 PM
This waiting is absurd. I'd bet he already knew where he was going before he de-committed.

Definitely. And when it becomes public, the tampering will become evident.

LynahFan
07-30-2012, 08:26 PM
Definitely. And when it becomes public, the tampering will become evident.There's no such thing as "tampering" (from an NCAA-legalistic point of view) with an Ivy recruit, since they don't sign LOIs. I think most coaches respect the verbal commitments they make, but if an Ivy-committed athlete contacts THEM, I can't really blame them for taking the call.

SkinsFan09
07-30-2012, 08:28 PM
Definitely. And when it becomes public, the tampering will become evident.

All 100% legal. No NLOI signed in the Ivy League. What probably happened is he was borderline out all this time and when he went to Ducks camp, some people he should transfer.