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REDMEN2002
05-04-2012, 02:56 PM
Meh... We need a 12th I guess. Might as well be uconn.

I rather have 11 teams than have UConn.

BU2K
05-04-2012, 03:01 PM
I rather have 11 teams than have UConn.

Same with me.

Priceless
05-04-2012, 04:20 PM
Meh... We need a 12th I guess. Might as well be uconn.
Why do we need a 12th?

Patman
05-04-2012, 04:56 PM
Why do we need a 12th?

Why did we need an 11th?

Priceless
05-04-2012, 05:06 PM
Why did we need an 11th?
A valid question.

ericredaxe
05-04-2012, 05:54 PM
Why did we need an 11th?

I dont think we needed an 11th... but now that we dohave 11 I think 12 makes more sense than 11.. at least from a schedule purpose.

I have a pet peeve about having unbalanced schedules, and I dont see them doing a 20 game conference schedule with 11 teams in the league. With 12 they would likely do 22 conference games... hopefully they don't go 24 or 26 making the schedule unbalanced.

LtPowers
05-04-2012, 07:19 PM
Why do we need a 12th?

It makes scheduling a whole heck of a lot easier.


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Call It
05-05-2012, 08:55 AM
How come Merrimack Women will receive an auto spot to Hockey East because their Men are already there but UCONN men don't even though their women's team is a member of Hockey East?

AMC
05-05-2012, 09:35 AM
How come Merrimack Women will receive an auto spot to Hockey East because their Men are already there but UCONN men don't even though their women's team is a member of Hockey East?

Because UConn is an associate member.

LtPowers
05-05-2012, 05:24 PM
Because UConn is an associate member.

What's the difference?


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AspyDad
05-06-2012, 07:25 PM
latest committment to UCONN.

http://www.juniorhockey.com/news/news_detail.php?news_id=75552

RSTuthill
05-06-2012, 09:36 PM
What's the difference?
Full members get their other team in automatically and associate members don't.:D

Thinking also that associate members may not have a formal vote with the possible exception on economic issues that would directly affect them.

claver2010
05-07-2012, 08:26 AM
How come Merrimack Women will receive an auto spot to Hockey East because their Men are already there but UCONN men don't even though their women's team is a member of Hockey East?

Because it's women's hockey

LtPowers
05-07-2012, 12:08 PM
Full members get their other team in automatically and associate members don't.:D

Thinking also that associate members may not have a formal vote with the possible exception on economic issues that would directly affect them.

Yes, but what determines whether a school is an associate or full member? I mean, it's a one-sport conference; a school has zero, one, or two teams in the conference, period, and we've already established that you don't need two teams to be a full member.


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Ralph Baer
05-07-2012, 12:18 PM
Yes, but what determines whether a school is an associate or full member? I mean, it's a one-sport conference; a school has zero, one, or two teams in the conference, period, and we've already established that you don't need two teams to be a full member.


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The men's league was established first, so all of those schools became full members. When the women's league was formed later those schools that played in it but not the men's league became associate members. Of course, the latter included only Connecticut.

RSTuthill
05-07-2012, 01:43 PM
John Maranatto resigns as Big East commissioner, most likely pushed out by the presidents of the football schools. Is this the great schism we have been waiting for? Football vs. non-football schools? If not, are Louisville and Cincinnati gone? If so, should we expect UConn to remain somewhat neutral in this situation due to the HE application? What other shoes are waiting to fall? The situation becomes more fluid and murky at the same time.

kingdobbs
05-07-2012, 02:14 PM
Yes, but what determines whether a school is an associate or full member? I mean, it's a one-sport conference; a school has zero, one, or two teams in the conference, period, and we've already established that you don't need two teams to be a full member.


In general, the membership status of a given organization is going to depend highly on the needs of the organization, and the decision on what members have which membership status is put to a vote of the voting membership (and by-laws concerning who may have what membership status are in the by-laws somewhere) at the time a new member is voted in.

Prior to the formation of women's Hockey East in 2002-03, there would have only been men's members (the most recent member at that time to join was UMass-Amherst, who started play in 1994), and therefore there would have been no need for a membership status to be anything but full.

In order to get a sixth team, they would have had to invite from a group including, at the time, UConn, Quinnipiac or Niagara (the other three ECAC partners of the five HEA women's programs at the time: BC, UNH, Maine, Providence, and Northeastern), and inviting that team in as a full member would have entitled their men's team to join as well (since that's what full membership means, in general - the member is accorded the same rights and privileges as any other; playing part of a common scheduling and postseason alliance would be, in the case of an athletic conference, one of those privileges). So to avoid having to do this, UConn was invited as an associate member (and had Hockey East waited a few years to start a women's league, they would have had both UVM (joining from ECAC) and BU (elevating from club) come in at the same time in 2005-06, and would not have needed UConn as an associate member at all). It's very possible that associate membership was defined at the same time in the by-laws as the women's league, and UConn's entry, to explain their lesser status 'constitutionally'.

It's the same principle by which any future Big Ten team would be entitled to membership in the Big Ten hockey league should they start a team; you cannot reasonably deny them the full rights of membership if they already are full members.

LtPowers
05-08-2012, 01:42 PM
Strikes me as sexist, that's all. Men's teams don't need a women's team to be a full member of the conference, but women's teams need a men's team?


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kingdobbs
05-08-2012, 02:15 PM
Strikes me as sexist, that's all. Men's teams don't need a women's team to be a full member of the conference, but women's teams need a men's team?


Sexism is a red herring. The University of Connecticut is the member, not the University of Connecticut's varsity women's ice hockey team. The institution has associate membership because they were only admitted with the privilege to compete in women's ice hockey. It would have been the same had the offer instead been to participate in Hockey East for their new men's roller hockey league; full membership would have entitled the University of Connecticut to also emplace its men's ice hockey team there.

4LoveoftheGame
05-08-2012, 02:59 PM
Sexism is a red herring. The University of Connecticut is the member, not the University of Connecticut's varsity women's ice hockey team. The institution has associate membership because they were only admitted with the privilege to compete in women's ice hockey. It would have been the same had the offer instead been to participate in Hockey East for their new men's roller hockey league; full membership would have entitled the University of Connecticut to also emplace its men's ice hockey team there.

So, does that mean that Merrimack is an associate member? How about Lowell?