2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

I apologize for my gopher bretheren. They haven't had their zoloft today.

[Bakunin]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

I hate sandbagging. Yes, BC is the favorite...albeit maybe a slight one. Somebody has to be. That is not saying anything bad about Minnesota. BC fans are not declaring victory...all that has been done by other fans.

If I'm reading KRACH correctly, BC would win 62.5% of the time against MN.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

If I'm reading KRACH correctly, BC would win 62.5% of the time against MN.

Wow. That's better than a coin flip. Give them the trophy now.

[Hammer]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

So it's just you and I then? Sweet!

Nope. There's three of us.

Man. I'd be thankful if we got at least 5 shots on goal this weekend.

[vhawk]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

If I'm reading KRACH correctly, BC would win 62.5% of the time against MN.

Again though, KRACH only takes into consideration W/L record, and W/L record of opponents, and so on. If the hypothesis that MN has an "unlucky" W/L record based on actual performance is true, KRACH would not be any better at accounting for that than PWR or RPI.

I do think KRACH is a pretty neat little tool though, and a cool way of thinking about the rankings. It just isnt really any different than RPI, just a different way of thinking about it. Hockey is way behind baseball when it comes to advanced metrics.

In the absence of any really good metrics, a good rule of thumb is "what is vegas offering?" On a niche sport like college hockey the gambling market is not as efficient as, say NFL, but its probably better than nothing.

[mnstate0fhockey]

Again though, KRACH only takes into consideration W/L record, and W/L record of opponents, and so on. If the hypothesis that MN has an "unlucky" W/L record based on actual performance is true, KRACH would not be any better at accounting for that than PWR or RPI.

I do think KRACH is a pretty neat little tool though, and a cool way of thinking about the rankings. It just isnt really any different than RPI, just a different way of thinking about it. Hockey is way behind baseball when it comes to advanced metrics.

In the absence of any really good metrics, a good rule of thumb is "what is vegas offering?" On a niche sport like college hockey the gambling market is not as efficient as, say NFL, but its probably better than nothing.

Hockey isn't as far behind as you 'd imagine. See Corsi, Fenwick, etc measurements. They just aren't really applied much to the college game.

[Patman]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

If I'm reading KRACH correctly, BC would win 62.5% of the time against MN.

I could certainly buy that... 62.5% is by no means prohibitive. 5W:3L ratio.

[The Rube]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

Kneel before BjugZOD!

It's not a matter of is MN going to win, it's going to be how MUCH does MN win by?

[mookie1995]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

If I'm reading KRACH correctly, BC would win 62.5% of the time against MN.

um.. didn't krach rank most of the ccha teams rather highly?

[Slap Shot]

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I could care less either. In fact, I welcome the lack of respect by the media.

Just a fun dig, but yes you could care less but you'd have to stop talking about it.

I still think people are overlooking the winner of the 1st semi against BC on Saturday night.





I like our chances.

[carltonbarrett]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

The BC/MN matchup sort of reminds me of the 2010 BC/UW championship game, in that UW was very, very talented, but had no frozen four experience, and I think that is what ended up costing them the game. The same thing happened to BC back in the 98 title game vs Michigan, where BC had a MAJOR edge in talent (Gionta, Reasoner, Farkas, Mottau, Bellefuille, Allen, etc), but Michigan had more upper classmen and the FF experience on their side and of course held on to beat BC in OT. Not suggesting that this means MN is going to lose, but I think the experience is the one big advantage that BC has.

[mnstate0fhockey]

Just a fun dig, but yes you could care less but you'd have to stop talking about it.

I still think people are overlooking the winner of the 1st semi against BC on Saturday night.





I like our chances.

What's the fun in that?

Seriously though, I like our chances too. If they play as well as they did this weekend, this team has what it takes to beat BC.

[Priceless]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

um.. didn't krach rank most of the ccha teams rather highly?

Possibly because the CCHA was 55-25-5 (.676) non-conference.

[goldy_331]

Re: 2012 Frozen Four: Union vs. Ferris State; Minnesota vs. Boston College

The BC/MN matchup sort of reminds me of the 2010 BC/UW championship game, in that UW was very, very talented, but had no frozen four experience, and I think that is what ended up costing them the game. The same thing happened to BC back in the 98 title game vs Michigan, where BC had a MAJOR edge in talent (Gionta, Reasoner, Farkas, Mottau, Bellefuille, Allen, etc), but Michigan had more upper classmen and the FF experience on their side and of course held on to beat BC in OT. Not suggesting that this means MN is going to lose, but I think the experience is the one big advantage that BC has.

One of several, along with better talent, better coaching, better playing style, better fans. At least MN's home white sweaters are way better than those mustard colored monstrosities BC wears now.

[REDMEN2002]

One of several, along with better talent, better coaching, better playing style, better fans. At least MN's home white sweaters are way better than those mustard colored monstrosities BC wears now.

the home whites are worse. under armour really screwed the pooch with hockey.