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Caustic Undertow
03-25-2012, 12:00 AM
10 of 12 games have been completed in mostly dramatic fashion. In front of mostly empty seats.

Yes, the NCAA regional disaster rolls on. The most important games of the season, featuring electrifying action, overtime, and bad officiating. And nobody goes to see the games.

I knew nobody would be in Green Bay. I took my wife and kids and we had a great time, but there were fewer than 3500 people there on Friday. There were whole sections that but for one or two people were totally empty. With four teams that weren't particularly close, this wasn't a surprise. Still, it's embarrassing to see the highlights of these "crucial" games play out in front of a sea of red seats.

Nonetheless, the real travesty was in St. Paul. St. Paul, a stone's throw from the University of Minnesota, who was in the game. St. Paul, a few hours of familiar driving away from Grand Forks. St. Paul, home to the best hockey arena in the world. St. Paul, which finally won the regional lottery and got both Minnie and NoDak, the two most prominent fan bases at the Final Five the week before. Both playing on a <b>Saturday.</b>

The attendance for day one of that regional: 9386.

I'm not going to blame Minnie or NoDak fans who just went to the Final Five and hope for a Tampa trip. I won't blame promotion of the games, though it doesn't seem to have been very good. I won't even blame the absurdly high prices. And, granted, there will be a huge walk-up tomorrow as fans look for a rematch of last week's see-saw WCHA title game.

But this, to me, is an absolute travesty. If you can't even draw 10,000 fans at the X for the two biggest fan bases in the WCHA, your regional system is broken. It is an insult to the players, the coaches, the fans, and the sport itself. It must change.

The NCAA must drop neutral-site regionals and play the first 12 games at the home sites of the higher seeds.

Eaglefan06
03-25-2012, 12:06 AM
10 of 12 games have been completed in mostly dramatic fashion. In front of mostly empty seats.

Yes, the NCAA regional disaster rolls on. The most important games of the season, featuring electrifying action, overtime, and bad officiating. And nobody goes to see the games.

I knew nobody would be in Green Bay. I took my wife and kids and we had a great time, but there were fewer than 3500 people there on Friday. There were whole sections that but for one or two people were totally empty. With four teams that weren't particularly close, this wasn't a surprise. Still, it's embarrassing to see the highlights of these "crucial" games play out in front of a sea of red seats.

Nonetheless, the real travesty was in St. Paul. St. Paul, a stone's throw from the University of Minnesota, who was in the game. St. Paul, a few hours of familiar driving away from Grand Forks. St. Paul, home to the best hockey arena in the world. St. Paul, which finally won the regional lottery and got both Minnie and NoDak, the two most prominent fan bases at the Final Five the week before. Both playing on a <b>Saturday.</b>

The attendance for day one of that regional: 9386.

I'm not going to blame Minnie or NoDak fans who just went to the Final Five and hope for a Tampa trip. I won't blame promotion of the games, though it doesn't seem to have been very good. I won't even blame the absurdly high prices. And, granted, there will be a huge walk-up tomorrow as fans look for a rematch of last week's see-saw WCHA title game.

But this, to me, is an absolute travesty. If you can't even draw 10,000 fans at the X for the two biggest fan bases in the WCHA, your regional system is broken. It is an insult to the players, the coaches, the fans, and the sport itself. It must change.

The NCAA must drop neutral-site regionals and play the first 12 games at the home sites of the higher seeds.

$$$$$$$

Did you look at the price for tickets at the X? Stupidly high. It's ridiculous.

Patman
03-25-2012, 12:10 AM
$$$$$$$

Did you look at the price for tickets at the X? Stupidly high. It's ridiculous.

one session... 57... what i paid through lowell for both days at b-port... 60 (retail 70).

You know what, you hold this on campus for Minnesota you're still going to have problems, its not like its a half hour away.

MUnRPI
03-25-2012, 12:12 AM
It would be amazing if the games were held at campus sites.

UMDbulldogs#1
03-25-2012, 12:13 AM
It would be amazing if the games were held at campus sites.

It used to be that way, but everyone got sick of Michigan playing home games in the NCAA tournament.

S. Tridecemlineatus
03-25-2012, 12:17 AM
Agreed. I was amazed at that figure (9386) when I looked at the box scores. Is that butts in seats, or tickets sold?

I thought about driving up from Detroit, and assumed I'd pay a lot for tickets on the street. Instead, here in MI, I couldn't even see the NoDak game on TV, and only saw Minn thanks to NESN not being blacked out here.

Might help to make the regionals truly regional vs sending teams helter skelter across the US with far less notice than is needed for an affordable airline ticket.

mnstate0fhockey
03-25-2012, 12:18 AM
I'm going to guess, with the prices they're charging, you'd see the exact same attendance issues regardless of where the games are held.

SanTropez
03-25-2012, 12:19 AM
I'm going to guess, with the prices they're charging, you'd see the exact same attendance issues regardless of where the games are held.

Especially after forking out lots of cash the week before at the Final Five.

J.D.
03-25-2012, 12:20 AM
BTW, I wonder who came up with starting the Northeast regional final on a Sunday night at 8 PM EST...that just sounds like a brilliant idea.

mnstate0fhockey
03-25-2012, 12:23 AM
Especially after forking out lots of cash the week before at the Final Five.

And gas prices what they are and such. People just don't have the discretionary income they had in the past.

FiveHole12
03-25-2012, 12:49 AM
I'm going to guess, with the prices they're charging, you'd see the exact same attendance issues regardless of where the games are held.
I agree. At this price (http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/010047588B6F9460?artistid=852398&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=9), you're not going sell out any venue.
Drop the ticket prices and fans will come. Pretty simple actually.

Or...

Go back to the 12 team tournament. There were 2 Regionals, one in the east and one in the west. The top two seeds in each regional got a bye in the first round while the other 4 teams played. The two winners on day one played the two top seed teams the next day. The two winners of those games went to the Frozen Four. You got 4 games for half the price of today's ticket prices and IIRC, the Regionals were well attended.

Siouxfaninseattle
03-25-2012, 12:50 AM
It would be amazing if the games were held at campus sites.

Games at the Ralph would draw 12,000.

Bigus Paulus
03-25-2012, 12:51 AM
Part of this has to do with the availability of games on TV these days, even with the issues of blackouts on D-TV and such. Back in the nineties it was nearly impossible to see regional action on TV. The rest has to do with pricey tickets combined with not knowing where your favorite team is playing until travel costs become sky high which ultimately leads to empty arenas.

mnstate0fhockey
03-25-2012, 12:53 AM
Games at the Ralph would draw 12,000.

And most years, with Minnesota and North Dakota playing, the X would way out draw that.

MUnRPI
03-25-2012, 12:55 AM
And most years, with Minnesota and North Dakota playing, the X would way out draw that.

but how many more times will Minnesota and North Dakota be in the same regional, at the X..?

Craig P.
03-25-2012, 12:58 AM
It used to be that way, but everyone got sick of Michigan playing home games in the NCAA tournament.
The issue wasn't so much Michigan playing home games in the NCAA tournament, it was Michigan playing home games as the weaker seed.

mnstate0fhockey
03-25-2012, 12:58 AM
but how many more times will Minnesota and North Dakota be in the same regional, at the X..?

How many campus sites can outdraw what the X drew on what has been a very down year?

Throw even just Minnesota or North Dakota at the X on a typical year and it outdraws what you could get at a vast majority of campus sites.

J.D.
03-25-2012, 01:00 AM
Took a look at the sites next year. Happy to see a regional returning to Providence and don't have a problem with Manchester or Grand Rapids...

But, Toledo? W T F?

Priceless
03-25-2012, 01:00 AM
First # is attendance / Second # is capacity

Green Bay
3465 / 8709 40%
3108 / 8709 36%
6573 / 17418 38%

Bridgeport
5090 / 8412 61%
5328 / 8412 63%
10418 / 16824 62%

Attendance for the two days:
(Regional SF)
9386 / 18064 52%
5090 / 8412 61%
3465 / 8709 40%
5925 / 12239 48%
23866 / 47424 50%

(Regional Finals)
5328 / 8412 63%
3108 / 8709 36%
8436 / 17121 49%

Total attendance
32302 / 64545 50%

1) Bring down prices.
2) Tier prices for seats. Nosebleeds should not be the same price as front row.

mnstate0fhockey
03-25-2012, 01:00 AM
Took a look at the sites next year. Happy to see a regional returning to Providence and don't have a problem with Manchester or Grand Rapids...

But, Toledo? W T F?

Manchester is an awesome site! Toledo, not so much.