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Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey National Champs!
"but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.
"I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2
Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!
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I don't know... Doesn't it strike you guys that Tony has been on more of a 5 year plan from the start? I think there are things he's done (roster, playing time, other stuff) that to me hasn't indicated it's a big "win now" kind of priority with him, but rather a long view. I've wondered if that sort of thing (call it long term thinking, or lack of urgency, depending on your POV) didn't seep into the locker room a little bit this year.
As far as results this upcoming year-- well, there's almost nothing about college hockey that is the same as it was 15 years ago. When Eaves came in he could add 17-18 year olds and get them in quickly. After one poor year he turned it around pretty well. Now, 18 year olds have been committed for 3-4 years already. It's crazy. Tony's first real, straight up, head to head, wide open recruiting class won't actually even get here until next year.
And then there's the B1G and parity and all the other stuff. Last year the B1G had one of the best non-conference win percentages of any conference in the last 30 years. What that meant was that if UW went 4-2 instead of 0-6 to close out the season, they still would have been in the mix because B1G PWR power was so high. Can't count on that every year. (although I still expect the B1G to be good this year) This year we could be a very good team by February, but if we start 3-5 (which isn't inconceivable even with a good team) then the rest of the B1G better win a lot of NC games or we're in deep trouble for the post season. No real reason Duluth should have been in the post season this year. Should have been sitting home behind a couple other teams, but they got lucky and things fell their way. But after they won it, nobody would say they weren't one of the best teams in the country. Today, getting to the tournament or not isn't the same measure of how good a team is the way it was just 10 years back. Very good teams are now out every year, so I'd have to base my judgement on something more than just that, I think.Originally posted by WiscTJKI'm with Wisko and Tim.Originally posted by Timothy AOther than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?
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Originally posted by MadCityRich View PostWell stated, Wisko.
What really stands out is the Gentleman's Agreement. It's true not only in college hockey, but ALL college sports.
By the way, let's not forget what Memorial Day is about. Yep, we're having Usinger brats on the grill like millions of others, but I thank all who have served to allow us to live the way we do and to allow me overeat bratwurst.Originally posted by WiscTJKI'm with Wisko and Tim.Originally posted by Timothy AOther than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?
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Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View PostI don't know... Doesn't it strike you guys that Tony has been on more of a 5 year plan from the start? I think there are things he's done (roster, playing time, other stuff) that to me hasn't indicated it's a big "win now" kind of priority with him, but rather a long view. I've wondered if that sort of thing (call it long term thinking, or lack of urgency, depending on your POV) didn't seep into the locker room a little bit this year.
As far as results this upcoming year-- well, there's almost nothing about college hockey that is the same as it was 15 years ago. When Eaves came in he could add 17-18 year olds and get them in quickly. After one poor year he turned it around pretty well. Now, 18 year olds have been committed for 3-4 years already. It's crazy. Tony's first real, straight up, head to head, wide open recruiting class won't actually even get here until next year.
And then there's the B1G and parity and all the other stuff. Last year the B1G had one of the best non-conference win percentages of any conference in the last 30 years. What that meant was that if UW went 4-2 instead of 0-6 to close out the season, they still would have been in the mix because B1G PWR power was so high. Can't count on that every year. (although I still expect the B1G to be good this year) This year we could be a very good team by February, but if we start 3-5 (which isn't inconceivable even with a good team) then the rest of the B1G better win a lot of NC games or we're in deep trouble for the post season. No real reason Duluth should have been in the post season this year. Should have been sitting home behind a couple other teams, but they got lucky and things fell their way. But after they won it, nobody would say they weren't one of the best teams in the country. Today, getting to the tournament or not isn't the same measure of how good a team is the way it was just 10 years back. Very good teams are now out every year, so I'd have to base my judgement on something more than just that, I think.Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey National Champs!
"but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.
"I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2
Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!
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Originally posted by digitalbooya View PostWisko, what I’m saying is that you have to win with the average to good players that we can guarantee will come and then after that we can expect *elite* *high end* players to be much more willing to play here.
I get what you're saying, I'm just not convinced it works that way entirely. The Packers sucked for 25 years and nobody wanted to play in Green Bay. Then they signed The Minister of Defense and all of that changed overnight.
Sign the best player in the country. That's the key. Then the number 2 guy suddenly starts thinking "Hey... maybe that's a not such a bad idea." Get him and #'s 3,4,5,6 all fall in line much more easily. That's the way I think it happens.
Al McGuire took over a 5 win Marquette team and had 8 wins his first year. Then he just went to Brooklyn and sold Tip Thompson on Marquette and to Georgia and did the same with Joe Thomas. His third year he won 21, his worst win total for the rest of his career. Maurice Lucas, the great Butch Lee out of Harlem, Jerome Whitehead, Bo Elllis, etc. they all followed on. The point being that you have to sell the first Big Time kid on the dream, then the next... and then the rest start to come because obviously you're going to win whether you have been before or not.Originally posted by WiscTJKI'm with Wisko and Tim.Originally posted by Timothy AOther than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?
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Originally posted by solovsfett View PostI’m not sure about the five year plan given they brought in Hayton and Greenway the year prior quite late. That tells me they have a “win now” attitude. We’ll see if they get into the ncaa’s this year. It’s a crucial benchmark right now.Last edited by Wisko McBadgerton; 05-28-2018, 08:41 PM.Originally posted by WiscTJKI'm with Wisko and Tim.Originally posted by Timothy AOther than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?
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Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View PostI'm just hedging on that benchmark a bit because if, for example, they started slow but won 8 of 10 down the stretch and just missed by .002, I'd still probably feel pretty good about where things are going with the guys that will be following on the next year. Not going to feel good if they win 12 games. (Although that's not out of the realm of possibility, I suppose.) Probably feel even worse if they just collapse in the second half again.
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I’d be curious to know what imposter TGs are on twitter that lead to this:
https://twitter.com/tonygranato/stat...345392643?s=21If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me
BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!
At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."
Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.
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Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View PostI’d be curious to know what imposter TGs are on twitter that lead to this:
https://twitter.com/tonygranato/stat...345392643?s=21Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey National Champs!
"but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.
"I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2
Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!
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Hope......Jack, Sampo, Ty and K'Andre test super well at the combine. I was kinda shocked Jack did so well just being a WI HS player, maybe I was undervaluing his ability a bit or maybe a lot.Wisconsin Hockey: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 WE WANT MORE!
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Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
"Baggot says Hughes and Rockwood are centering the top two lines...
Timothy A --> Great hockey mind... Or Greatest hockey mind?!?"
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I bet there's a mega happy Badger fan this am..... I found my self pulling for the Knights when chips were down in the game, before then I was not really rooting for one or the other. I think the combo of them being a team of cast-offs and the fact their uni's remind me of the German National team were the deciding factors. Now they need to get a Badger on the team so I can get a jersey. I thought it was ironic that the Cap's C was not on the ice in crunch time in the end.Wisconsin Hockey: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 WE WANT MORE!
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Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
"Baggot says Hughes and Rockwood are centering the top two lines...
Timothy A --> Great hockey mind... Or Greatest hockey mind?!?"
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Originally posted by Timothy A View PostI bet there's a mega happy Badger fan this am..... I found my self pulling for the Knights when chips were down in the game, before then I was not really rooting for one or the other. I think the combo of them being a team of cast-offs and the fact their uni's remind me of the German National team were the deciding factors. Now they need to get a Badger on the team so I can get a jersey. I thought it was ironic that the Cap's C was not on the ice in crunch time in the end.
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Originally posted by Timothy A View PostI bet there's a mega happy Badger fan this am.....If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me
BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!
At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."
Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.
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Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View PostHis twitter feed is looking pretty happy.Wisconsin Hockey: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 WE WANT MORE!
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Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
"Baggot says Hughes and Rockwood are centering the top two lines...
Timothy A --> Great hockey mind... Or Greatest hockey mind?!?"
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