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  • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Sorry for going back a few pages, but during the 20th century Communism put into practice was responsible for the deaths of nearly 100 million people, or roughly the equivalent of every man, woman and child currently living on the entire US Eastern Seaboard, ME to FL. Not to mention countless others maimed, tortured, imprisoned and just plain oppressed otherwise.

    That's the results of this benign political idea. It's really not very nice in my book.
    Another post pointing out this is BS. People died because of authoritarian dictators that used "Communism" as an excuse to exercise their power.

    If the Soviet Union was ever actually really communist, it was only for a few months at the beginning of the system. Then it got bastardized by the people in charge to be a terrible system- thanks to horrible people like Stalin. Who killed much like Hitler.

    The reality that it takes an authoritarian government to really make Communism work may be a good illustration that it doesn't work well. But killing is always the fault of the people doing it, not the system.

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    • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
      What Hillary did was found to be legal (or at least not worthy of indictment according to the DOJ and FBI) too...
      Apparently you missed my response to Kep: Just as frustrated.
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      • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
        Never took a political philosophy class? Lets try logic...

        Did Communists do evil things? Yes. Does that make Communism evil in nature?
        Did Christians do evil things? Yes. Does that make Christians evil?
        Did Republicans do evil things? Yes. Does that make Republicans evil?
        Have evil things been done in the name of the Free Market/Capitalism? Yes. Are they evil?

        No one is denying that evil has been done under the power of Communism but there is nothing inherently evil about communism on its face just as there isnt about anything else.
        I would counter that over the course of history, we've yet to see a communist government that has been able to divorce itself from a dictatorial form of enforcement that has oppressed its people, and in most cases killed their dissenters en masse. So when opposition to the Communist supporters bring up what we've seen throughout the world it only makes sense.

        In fact, I do believe that the only nations who are still communist in name, and haven't yet crumbled, have opened up their economies to at least some free market forces but simply maintain the Communist title when they should truly be considered at most to be socialists at this point in time.
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        • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          2/10...I doubt even you buy your Flaggy like attempt to "just ask the question" here
          Wiki said Feb 9. (Probably approved vs. sworn in.)

          If you're going to impeach and remove a President you'd better have all the ducks in a row. You'd hate for someone to get off on a technicality. The three month gap is a question. As others speculated, we don't know if he informed DoJ "immediately" per the statute.
          Last edited by The Sicatoka; 05-17-2017, 12:03 PM.
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          • Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
            Sorry for going back a few pages, but during the 20th century Communism put into practice was responsible for the deaths of nearly 100 million people, or roughly the equivalent of every man, woman and child currently living on the entire US Eastern Seaboard, ME to FL. Not to mention countless others maimed, tortured, imprisoned and just plain oppressed otherwise.

            That's the results of this benign political idea. It's really not very nice in my book.
            Christianity is not inherently bad.

            Humans have done very bad things in the name of Cristianity.


            Is there something in the bylaws/principles of communism that says kill lots of people?

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            • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

              "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media, no politician in history has been treated worse or more unfairly..."

              Beautiful, poignant advice to give to the US Coast Guard Academy graduation.

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              • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                Originally posted by Gurtholfin View Post
                Christianity is not inherently bad.

                Humans have done very bad things in the name of Cristianity.


                Is there something in the bylaws/principles of communism that says kill lots of people?
                It's hidden in the perks section of the wiki description, not the bylaws.

                Unless somebody changed my edit.
                "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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                • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                  Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                  "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media, no politician in history has been treated worse or more unfairly..."

                  Beautiful, poignant advice to give to the US Coast Guard Academy graduation.
                  The full quote, just in case you're interested.


                  - Unfairly. Check.
                  - I won. Check.
                  He's got that punch list speech done.
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                  • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                    Just as frustrated.
                    Too much power vested in one person.

                    Congress is supposed to be leading. Article I is Legislative, not Executive, for a reason.
                    I'm not a fan of an imperial executive either, but this is a whole different thing. This is execution of law, it falls rightly within the purview of the Executive Office of the President. In this case this is what the Founders had in mind.

                    Congress can relegislative the scope, mission and means for the intelligence agencies to do their job, including explicit legislation on the handling of classified information. But in the absence of that, where the charter for the agency leaves this up to policy, it's within the president's executive powers.

                    Trump is not only accidentally right in this, it's actually right that he's right. Congress can work the people's will with respect to classification guidelines any time it wants to. In the meantime, the agency, grounded in the president's authority, has to make the rules that run the railroad.
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                    • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                      Poor Vladimir Putin tried to spike the football this morning by saying he'd be happy to give us a recording of Trump's conversation with the Russian diplomats, and it's not even going to make the front page.
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                      • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                        They're just asking the question.
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                        • Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                          Wiki said Feb 9. (Probably approved vs. sworn in.)

                          If you're going to impeach and remove a President you'd better have all the ducks in a row. You'd hate for someone to get off on a technicality. The three month gap is a question. As others speculated, we don't know if he informed DoJ "immediately" per the statute.
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                          • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                            Originally posted by Gurtholfin View Post
                            Christianity is not inherently bad.

                            Humans have done very bad things in the name of Cristianity.


                            Is there something in the bylaws/principles of communism that says kill lots of people?
                            There might as well be. Communism has NEVER been tried without enormous needless suffering; it's a feature of rigid central planning. It's frightening that people are already whitewashing a poisonous way of thinking and apparently thinking "if we do it right next time..." Read the Gulag Archipelago.
                            Liberal socialism (preserving individual freedoms and party politics along with central planning) is not Communism.
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                            • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              I'm not a fan of an imperial executive either, but this is a whole different thing.

                              Trump is not only accidentally right in this, it's actually right that he's right. Congress can work the people's will with respect to classification guidelines any time it wants to. In the meantime, the agency, grounded in the president's authority, has to make the rules that run the railroad.
                              The bolded may be one of the scarier aspects of this and it's missed.
                              He either "blind squirrelled" this or he orchestrated it to troll the media (and keep them in a lather).
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                              • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                                Skipping the boring communism discussion, the charges against Trump are 1) Obstruction of justice (telling Comey to back off, then firing him) and 2) Treason (collaborating with the Russians to influence election).

                                We don't know the extent of the coordination between Russia and Trump people yet although I've never seen so many people from an American political campaign also being paid employees of the Russian govt at the same time. My guess is we won't know that unless Dems retake the House and do a real investigation.

                                Obstruction of justice is now out of the bag and even GOP congress is forced to investigate. Trump had better not be taping his own conversations as well as that has doom written all over it. Most likely people in Trump's admin will have to testify under oath before Congress on Trump's involvement with the FBI's investigation. Given his personality, it would not surprise me in the least if he told people to get the FBI to end the inquiry. No, we don't have all the facts yet but if what Comey alleges is true (and why would he make that up?) how is this any different than Nixon having the CIA tell the FBI to back off the Watergate investigation?
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