2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

[busterman62]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

I agree with this completely. In fact my "keep it simple" is even easier. Don't advocate new targeted taxes at all. Go right to the tax code and set forward a very simple restoration of the multi-tiered system. Focus on the median income and go from there. 10% on median / 2, 20% on the median, 30% on m x 2, 40% on median x 3, up to 90%. The end. Roll everything into the general fund, no more dedicated taxes, no more difference in cap gains and earned income. That's as simple as you can get.

No, that's not the pull. The pull is single payer.

Your tax plan should make single payer a reality, at least from a fiscal standpoint. You won't have to pay physicians when they aren't working. If they're not working, they won't order tests or do procedures or whatever and costs will go down. $$$ saved.

Based on the above rates, an average Family Practice physician would pay 25% of their gross income. OB 35%, Cardiology 45%, Orthopedics 54% and Neurosurgery 57%. It looks like a great way to incentivize physicians to continue their average 60 hour work week (FYI, mine averages about 80-90 hrs/wk). I'm sure you won't have to wait at all for your appointment or procedure. Of course they could always bring back Selective Service and draft us all into the military then obligate service.

[walrus]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

The GOP will always be seen as patriotic and pro-military because they own the South which is so over-the-top militaristic, and because they bang the war drums and act like an adolescent male, and many people equate bloviation and threats with "strength."

Isn't good for you that they do?

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[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

Your tax plan should make single payer a reality, at least from a fiscal standpoint. You won't have to pay physicians when they aren't working. If they're not working, they won't order tests or do procedures or whatever and costs will go down. $$$ saved.

Based on the above rates, an average Family Practice physician would pay 25% of their gross income. OB 35%, Cardiology 45%, Orthopedics 54% and Neurosurgery 57%. It looks like a great way to incentivize physicians to continue their average 60 hour work week (FYI, mine averages about 80-90 hrs/wk). I'm sure you won't have to wait at all for your appointment or procedure. Of course they could always bring back Selective Service and draft us all into the military then obligate service.

You might want to find another doctor if yours is averaging a 90 hour work week. That's 13 hours a day, every single day of the week. Which means if he or she takes a weekend off here or there he or she is pulling a bunch of 18 hour days. That tired physician -- with no time at all for any sort of a personal life or relaxation and often with those kinds of hours is sleeping just a couple of hours a day -- is making mistakes. You know like prescribing miralax for restless leg syndrome instead of mirapex.

I know physicians work ridiculous hours when they are training (a school of thought that many think needs reworked) but no way would I willingly and knowingly subject myself to a doctor who never slept, any more than I'd get on an airliner with a pilot pulling 90 hour weeks.

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

I know physicians work ridiculous hours when they are training (a school of thought that many think needs reworked) but no way would I willingly and knowingly subject myself to a doctor who never slept, any more than I'd get on an airliner with a pilot pulling 90 hour weeks.

If you frequent doctors you likely do not know how long they have been working and you likely have been seen by someone averaging 70+hours a week.

[bostonewe]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

You might want to find another doctor if yours is averaging a 90 hour work week. That's 13 hours a day, every single day of the week. Which means if he or she takes a weekend off here or there he or she is pulling a bunch of 18 hour days. That tired physician -- with no time at all for any sort of a personal life or relaxation and often with those kinds of hours is sleeping just a couple of hours a day -- is making mistakes. You know like prescribing miralax for restless leg syndrome instead of mirapex.

I know physicians work ridiculous hours when they are training (a school of thought that many think needs reworked) but no way would I willingly and knowingly subject myself to a doctor who never slept, any more than I'd get on an airliner with a pilot pulling 90 hour weeks.

Having grown up with a doctor for a dad -- they are almost always working. Nursing home patient has a sudden change: call the doctor to order a med at 0130; patient in your practice comes into the emergency room and you don't utilize hospitalists: call the doctor for orders at 0330; Patient comes in for bloodwork at 1400 on a Saturday afternoon and the result is critical: call the doctor so he can instruct the patient on what to do next. While they may "only" see patients in their offices from 9 to 5, there is a ton of behind the scenes work that goes on.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

If you frequent doctors you likely do not know how long they have been working and you likely have been seen by someone averaging 70+hours a week.

Proper documentation/insurance compliance alone means OT for virtually all docs and NPs. Not to mention on-call hours (especially for surgeons), etc.

Anyone who thinks you folks work a cushy 8-5 M-F, and then go home - even once established in private practice - has no idea how medicine in this country works.

[Jimjamesak]

Your tax plan should make single payer a reality, at least from a fiscal standpoint. You won't have to pay physicians when they aren't working. If they're not working, they won't order tests or do procedures or whatever and costs will go down. $$$ saved.

Based on the above rates, an average Family Practice physician would pay 25% of their gross income. OB 35%, Cardiology 45%, Orthopedics 54% and Neurosurgery 57%. It looks like a great way to incentivize physicians to continue their average 60 hour work week (FYI, mine averages about 80-90 hrs/wk). I'm sure you won't have to wait at all for your appointment or procedure. Of course they could always bring back Selective Service and draft us all into the military then obligate service.

I shall weep for you and your $100k+ left after taxes.

[walrus]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

I shall weep for you and your $100k+ left after taxes.

The world needs truck drivers also

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[unofan]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

The world needs truck drivers also

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In probably 25 years, it won't.

[Jimjamesak]

In probably 25 years, it won't.

In the factories and mills, in the shipyards and mines
We've often been told to keep up with the times
For our skills are not needed, they've streamlined the job
And with sliderule and stopwatch our pride they have robbed

[mookie1995]

In probably 25 years, it won't.

When will the Star Trek transporter finally arrive??

[unofan]

When will the Star Trek transporter finally arrive??

Long after driverless cars and trucks

[mookie1995]

Long after driverless cars and trucks

Dammit

[MissThundercat]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

In the factories and mills, in the shipyards and mines
We've often been told to keep up with the times
For our skills are not needed, they've streamlined the job
And with sliderule and stopwatch our pride they have robbed

"We're the first ones to starve
We're the first ones to die
The first one in line for that pie in the sky
And we're always the last
When the cream is shared out
For the worker is working when the fat cat's about"

[Kepler]

Re: 2018 Midterms 1: "Elections aren't just about who votes but who doesn't vote."

Winter is coming?