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  • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

    Originally posted by gopher wes View Post
    What about bringing up the position of SCSU's program within the state of Minnesota?
    I think he's saying overall he disagrees with SteveO's argument.

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    • Originally posted by gopher wes View Post
      What about bringing up the position of SCSU's program within the state of Minnesota?
      He isn't taking the job to fail. I assume by taking the job, his aim is to make the program as good as he can. Wherever he thinks the program is doesn't matter to me.
      Originally posted by SJHovey
      Pretty sure this post, made on January 3, 2016, when UNO was 14-3-1 and #2 in the pairwise, will go down in USCHO lore as The Curse of Tipsy McStagger.
      Originally posted by Brenthoven
      We mourn for days after a loss, puff out our chests for a week or more after we win. We brave the cold for tailgates, our friends know not to ask about the game after a tough loss, we laugh, we cry, we BLEED hockey, specifically the maroon'n'gold. Many of us have a tattoo waiting in the wings, WHEN (not IF) the Gophers are champions again.

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      • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

        I really don't understand why anyone would think he isn't here to win and see the program succeed. He made it pretty clear during his press conference, however it was specifically worded, that he understands the job he is taking (expectations from alums, fans, the media, etc..). He was very complimentary of the game, the state, and the schools. He understands the state and the expectations and pressures that come with this job.

        Is he a sharp public speaker? Probably not as sharp as they come, but he admitted that. What he is excellent at is evaluating talent, recruiting, coaching, and leading. He's proven that. I am very happy with the hire.
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        • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

          Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
          I think he's saying overall he disagrees with SteveO's argument.
          I know
          "It ain't over, baby! And that took only six seconds!"

          USCHO gives me another reason to not do work while I am at work.

          Everything is Hill's fault.....

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          • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

            I've always really liked and respected Motzko.

            Sadly, the only way I'll now be able to continue that forward is if he fails miserably.
            Originally posted by WiscTJK
            I'm with Wisko and Tim.
            Originally posted by Timothy A
            Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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            • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

              Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
              I started attending Gopher hockey games when I was 5 and for several years into my mid-teens attended more than a handful every season. All through the years they were my #1 program regardless of sport or level including the North Stars, Vikings and Twins. I went to school there for 2 years and then transferred to Mankato which is where I graduated. However, I never gained a passion for MSU hockey and although I root for them from afar they'll never come close to gaining my attention like Minnesota does.

              I know it's not a completely apples to apples comparison, but he did attend Minnesota for two years and only left because he was cut. He also coached there for several years. Even if he had fewer ties to UM than that his list of accomplishments make him a valid candidate and I but I couldn't give 2 sh**s if he thinks UM is the flagship program or not. If he's up to the challenge and will carry a passion for the position as much as he did in St. Cloud that is all that matters.

              I said months ago he wasn't my #1 choice but for now I've not seen a single reason to believe he's not in it for the right reasons and to suggest otherwise imho is not the result of an open and honest assessment of what he's said and done so far.
              Actually Slap Shot, that is a very good post. Don Lucia said close to the same thing when he got hired, that he grew up wanting to play for the Gophers, but didn't get recruited and opted to play elsewhere instead, and I believed he was very happy to get the honor to coach the Gophers and now who would question his love and loyalty to the program?

              Now Motzko went even further, attending the U for 2 years, trying out for the team both seasons, seems he wanted it more than Lucia did, at least if you consider actions to be worth more than words, and had to, in a sense, settle for playing for SCSU? Then he got to coach at UMn during its back to back title run? Then got a chance to be a head coach, at his official alma mater(btw, if he won a Nobel Prize, his name would be included in the list of Minnesota's Nobel winners. That is standard policy, every school that a scholar/scientist attended is given credit) and tried and did a pretty good job of getting SCSU higher up the ladder than they were when he was hired, but despite his efforts, couldn't find success with the team at the NCAA level, and unlike many of us who are not coaches of Div 1 hockey teams, he got to see how hard or easy it was to recruit players to UMn in comparison to getting them to come to SCSU, he got to see first hand the amount of resources each school had available to them, he got to see what the fan base was like, and also what it was like to live in St Cloud as compared to somewhere in the Twin Cities, and looking at all of that, it wouldn't shock me one bit if he had a ton of passion for the job of coaching at Minnesota. He wanted to play here, but failed to do that, so now he has the opportunity to lead the team back to the Top? This reminds me of Herb Brooks being fired up to COACH the Olympic team to a Gold Medal since he was not able to play for the team and win a Gold Medal.

              Maybe it's because I do not like the idea of *****ing about something that can not be changed, like the move to the BTHC from the old wcha. When that happened, I accepted it immediately and fully embraced it and now look, my faith in the idea of the BTHC that I forced myself to have, has been rewarded with 3 BTHC teams in the Frozen Four!!!

              So as upset as I was about the idea of dumping Lucia and hiring anyone other than maybe Grant P, I'm quickly coming around and starting to like this hire more and more.


              So again, good post Slap Shot.

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              • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

                Originally posted by SteveO View Post
                I was hoping for something more. But that essentially is my point. There is an added value when a coach is an alumnus of the school he or she is coaching at. That is not to say that a coach who is not cannot perform very well. There are many examples.

                Money and prestige can emotionally flame out, whereas the flame of true loyalty to your alma mater is difficult to extinguish.


                I think the example of the Lam sisters is relevant as a comparison to Motzko. Why did they pick Minnesota over UND? lol we all know why, at UMn they could play for Natl Titles.

                But why did they transfer to UND? Because that was their first love, that is where their true loyalties laid. I had a lot of respect for them for doing that. It was good for women's hockey and worked to help make UND a much better team, until they left and well, things went downhill from there.


                So let me ask you SteveO, why did Motzko leave UMn and go to SCSU? Was it because SCSU was his true first love? Is that the team he grew up wanting to play for?


                Why did Herb Brooks leave UMn to coach the Olympic team? Was coaching the Gophers and winning a Natl Title in ncaa hockey his biggest dream? If it was, he would have turned down the chance to coach the Olympic team and/or gone back to UMn the next year.

                Or was it to win a Gold Medal at the Olympics? I think we all know the answer to that.


                The Lams were willing to sacrifice the great chance of winning Natl Titles, to do something more noble and memorable and meaningful.


                If Motzko's TRUE love was SCSU, wouldn't he have gone there his first year? And wouldn't he have turned down the offer to come here and coach? I mean, SCSU, arguably has been the more successful program as of late. Had he stayed there and we gone with Grant P or someone even further down the list of candidates, there would be a chance SCSU would have continued to best the Gophers in head to head matchups and in their place in the rankings and # of trips to the NCAA tourney, etc..


                So it's a pay raise, but you don't think SCSU wouldn't have given him a pay raise if they thought it would keep him there? Grant P used the interviewing for the job here as leverage for a pay raise, my guess is Motzko would have gotten a raise had he made that offer to SCSU. But he didn't, did he? And the cost of living in the Twin Cities is higher than it is in St Cloud, so will he really be making a HUGE amount more, when it's all said and done?

                So I doubt the money issue was a big factor. And Prestige? The only way he'll gain more prestige is if he does something MORE than what Lucia did the past 5-10 years, and something MORE than what SCSU succeeds in doing the next couple of years as well.


                This seems sort of like the Herb Brooks thing to me. Motzko came to the U to play for the U and that didn't work out, and didn't just try once, but twice, much like Brooks tried out for the 1960 Olympic team and it didn't work out, and tried again in 64 and made the team but didn't win Gold. 20 years later he left what was easily considered, AT THAT TIME, the #1 top most prestigious college hockey program of the 70's, to take on the daunting task of trying to beat the mighty Russians and garner the US a Gold Medal. Now it's been how many years since he tried out for the Gophers and failed, and he gets an opportunity to lead the team he couldn't make, to a Natl Title? And he knows what it feels like since he as on the staff when Lucia achieved as a coach what he couldn't as a player.


                Seems to me like there could be the evidence there of where his heart truly has been all along? Definitely worth considering.

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                • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

                  Ladies and gentlemen...he's back.
                  Originally posted by SJHovey
                  Pretty sure this post, made on January 3, 2016, when UNO was 14-3-1 and #2 in the pairwise, will go down in USCHO lore as The Curse of Tipsy McStagger.
                  Originally posted by Brenthoven
                  We mourn for days after a loss, puff out our chests for a week or more after we win. We brave the cold for tailgates, our friends know not to ask about the game after a tough loss, we laugh, we cry, we BLEED hockey, specifically the maroon'n'gold. Many of us have a tattoo waiting in the wings, WHEN (not IF) the Gophers are champions again.

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                  • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

                    Originally posted by Tipsy McStagger View Post
                    Ladies and gentlemen...he's back.
                    I said I'd be nicer and try to stop triggering guys like you. But this is the GOPHER thread, not the SCSU thread, so I assumed I was talking to basically to Gopher fans, but I forgot how much you SCSU fans love to hang out in this thread, and you have every right to hang out here I guess, so I'll try to be more sensitive to that from here on out. So I apologize.

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                    • Originally posted by FredsDeadFriend View Post
                      I said I'd be nicer and try to stop triggering guys like you. But this is the GOPHER thread, not the SCSU thread, so I assumed I was talking to basically to Gopher fans, but I forgot how much you SCSU fans love to hang out in this thread, and you have every right to hang out here I guess, so I'll try to be more sensitive to that from here on out. So I apologize.
                      What you don't understand is...we (and not just Huskies) just want you to go away.
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                      • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

                        Originally posted by FredsDeadFriend View Post
                        I said I'd be nicer and try to stop triggering guys like you. But this is the GOPHER thread, not the SCSU thread, so I assumed I was talking to basically to Gopher fans, but I forgot how much you SCSU fans love to hang out in this thread, and you have every right to hang out here I guess, so I'll try to be more sensitive to that from here on out. So I apologize.
                        You can post whatever you want. You are on topic. I am on topic. That doesn't mean you aren't going to be mocked for it. I especially liked these:

                        Originally posted by FredsDeadFriend
                        Then got a chance to be a head coach, at his official alma mater(btw, if he won a Nobel Prize, his name would be included in the list of Minnesota's Nobel winners. That is standard policy, every school that a scholar/scientist attended is given credit)
                        Was Motzko nominated for a Nobel Prize? If not, what the hell does that have to do with anything.

                        Originally posted by FredsDeadFriend
                        If Motzko's TRUE love was SCSU, wouldn't he have gone there his first year? And wouldn't he have turned down the offer to come here and coach? I mean, SCSU, arguably has been the more successful program as of late. Had he stayed there and we gone with Grant P or someone even further down the list of candidates, there would be a chance SCSU would have continued to best the Gophers in head to head matchups and in their place in the rankings and # of trips to the NCAA tourney, etc..
                        If Motzko's "TRUE love" was the Gophers, wouldn't he have stayed there like Guentzel did? Wouldn't he have turned down the offer to go to St. Cloud and coach? I mean, the U of M inarguably had been the more successful program at that time.

                        Originally posted by FredsDeadFriend
                        So it's a pay raise, but you don't think SCSU wouldn't have given him a pay raise if they thought it would keep him there? Grant P used the interviewing for the job here as leverage for a pay raise, my guess is Motzko would have gotten a raise had he made that offer to SCSU. But he didn't, did he? And the cost of living in the Twin Cities is higher than it is in St Cloud, so will he really be making a HUGE amount more, when it's all said and done?
                        SCSU may have given him a pay raise. But the Gophers DOUBLED HIS SALARY. St. Cloud can't compete with that.

                        Originally posted by FredsDeadFriend
                        So I doubt the money issue was a big factor. And Prestige? The only way he'll gain more prestige is if he does something MORE than what Lucia did the past 5-10 years, and something MORE than what SCSU succeeds in doing the next couple of years as well.
                        If the money wasn't a big factor, why did he ever leave the Gophers? When you listen to his reasoning on why he left SCSU, his responses have been "I always thought I had one more move in me", "It was an opportunity and I wanted it", "This was a job that you only get one kick at the can, and it was there” To me, these are vague responses that actually don't tell the person listening anything. Probably because the real reasons don't sound any better. "I took the job because they doubled my pay", "I took the job because the Gophers spend twice as much on hockey as St. Cloud", and "I took the job because it will be easier to get recruits to go to a big name school" all sound cold and would turn off the people they are trying to sell this move to.

                        If it helps your psyche to think he secretly loved the Gophers all along and couldn't wait to ditch his alma mater to go back there, rock on. But it's a pretty ridiculous theory.
                        Originally posted by SJHovey
                        Pretty sure this post, made on January 3, 2016, when UNO was 14-3-1 and #2 in the pairwise, will go down in USCHO lore as The Curse of Tipsy McStagger.
                        Originally posted by Brenthoven
                        We mourn for days after a loss, puff out our chests for a week or more after we win. We brave the cold for tailgates, our friends know not to ask about the game after a tough loss, we laugh, we cry, we BLEED hockey, specifically the maroon'n'gold. Many of us have a tattoo waiting in the wings, WHEN (not IF) the Gophers are champions again.

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                        • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

                          Would anyone question Potulny's love for the Gophers because he took a job with NMU? I believe he interviewed for the Gophers opening. Why did Blais coach UND? If Motzko was nothing but loyal to SCSU why take a job with Minnesota the first time around? Only because of money? When he did leave is it not logical that he wanted to become a head coach and didn't see Lucia leaving anytime soon or could it only be because UM meant nothing to him?

                          Regardless is there there really a pissing contest going on trying to prove the only reason someone would take a job with UM is because of money even though SCSU could have paid him at least in the same ballpark? Really? Is the pettiness really that deep?

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                          • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

                            Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
                            What you don't understand is...we (and not just Huskies) just want you to go away.
                            Funny thing about America, that's not how it works. Sorry. I believe there is an ignore option though, so hey, there is that option. Well, have a nice day!

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                            • Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers Season Off-Season Thread 2018

                              Originally posted by Tipsy McStagger View Post
                              You can post whatever you want. You are on topic. I am on topic. That doesn't mean you aren't going to be mocked for it. I especially liked these:


                              Was Motzko nominated for a Nobel Prize? If not, what the hell does that have to do with anything.


                              If Motzko's "TRUE love" was the Gophers, wouldn't he have stayed there like Guentzel did? Wouldn't he have turned down the offer to go to St. Cloud and coach? I mean, the U of M inarguably had been the more successful program at that time.



                              SCSU may have given him a pay raise. But the Gophers DOUBLED HIS SALARY. St. Cloud can't compete with that.


                              If the money wasn't a big factor, why did he ever leave the Gophers? When you listen to his reasoning on why he left SCSU, his responses have been "I always thought I had one more move in me", "It was an opportunity and I wanted it", "This was a job that you only get one kick at the can, and it was thereā€ To me, these are vague responses that actually don't tell the person listening anything. Probably because the real reasons don't sound any better. "I took the job because they doubled my pay", "I took the job because the Gophers spend twice as much on hockey as St. Cloud", and "I took the job because it will be easier to get recruits to go to a big name school" all sound cold and would turn off the people they are trying to sell this move to.

                              If it helps your psyche to think he secretly loved the Gophers all along and couldn't wait to ditch his alma mater to go back there, rock on. But it's a pretty ridiculous theory.

                              Hey Tippsy, I've given my 2 cents, and its just a theory, I could easily be wrong. Your opinion is just as valid as mine, and I respect it, so I won't argue with you and your theory that I just want to soothe my psyche sounds very plausible so I'm ok with your take. I appreciate your reasoned response. Have a nice day!

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                              • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                                Would anyone question Potulny's love for the Gophers because he took a job with NMU? I believe he interviewed for the Gophers opening. Why did Blais coach UND? If Motzko was nothing but loyal to SCSU why take a job with Minnesota the first time around? Only because of money? When he did leave is it not logical that he wanted to become a head coach and didn't see Lucia leaving anytime soon or could it only be because UM meant nothing to him?

                                Regardless is there there really a pissing contest going on trying to prove the only reason someone would take a job with UM is because of money even though SCSU could have paid him at least in the same ballpark? Really? Is the pettiness really that deep?
                                We do believe he took it mostly because of money whether he says so or not. He doubled his salary basically and there was no way we could match that.
                                His loyalty to us wasn't strong enough to overcome that...ce la vie.
                                It hurts and you can't expect us to not be a little petty about it for a while.
                                I mean when was the last time a head coach left for a job with one of their biggest rivals? It doesn't happen often.
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