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  • #16
    Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    This discussion doesn't interest me.
    If only.
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    • #17
      Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      If only.
      You must spread.....

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      • #18
        Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

        Ya gotta have a gimmick.

        Meanwhile, elsewhere on the continent.
        Last edited by Kepler; 04-18-2018, 08:37 AM.
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        • #19
          Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

          Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
          In private, such as my conversations with Rev. Jen, is that 98% of Christians aren't like that. I just wish the 98% would start speaking up and saying "*******s don't speak for us."

          The reverend has helped me understand that she's in the silent majority. I walk into Grace Episcopal and I don't get a second look for wearing a skirt or carrying a purse.
          Its all true. Christians are spearheading the building of houses, helping the otherwise homeless, delivering water to the third world and helping the broken cope with other difficulties in their own communities. But these people are largely 'helpers' and are otherwise quiet. Unfortunately, there aren't very many Christians helping folks to understand the inspirational nature of the Christian path and amazing nature of this silent majority.

          For example, who comes to mind when you think of the most charitable Americans? Bill Gates? Let him speak for himself:

          "I’ve been very lucky, and therefore I owe it to try and reduce the inequity in the world. And that’s kind of a religious belief. We’ve raised our kids in a religious way; they’ve gone to the Catholic church that Melinda goes to and I participate in."

          "The moral systems of religion, I think, are superimportant."
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          • #20
            Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Ya gotta have a gimmick.
            I preferred "Hasa Diga Eebowai", thanks.

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            • #21
              Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

              Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
              I preferred "Hasa Diga Eebowai", thanks.
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              • #22
                Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                More Jesusharia.
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                • #23
                  Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                  Business is good for some divisions of the Rome-based multi-national.

                  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-...-film-11137254
                  The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                    Speaking of, the rare European competition for American derp.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                      Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
                      Christianity's problem right now is that it's perceived as bitter, hateful, resentful, and that it sends a message of "God only loves you if you're white, conservative, heterosexual, cisgender, and you believe exactly like us." In private, such as my conversations with Rev. Jen, is that 98% of Christians aren't like that. I just wish the 98% would start speaking up and saying "*******s don't speak for us."

                      The reverend has helped me understand that she's in the silent majority. I walk into Grace Episcopal and I don't get a second look for wearing a skirt or carrying a purse.
                      TCat...to carry this forward. Broadly speaking, Christians give. Per Philanthropy Roundtable:

                      Religious faith is a central influence on giving. Religious people are much more likely than the non-religious to donate to charitable causes—including secular causes—and they give much more. And the results show that persons who attend religious services twice a month or more give over four times as much as persons who never attend services.

                      We know the religious are also far more likely to volunteer. Among Americans who have volunteered within the last year, three quarters belong to a religious organization, one quarter do not.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                        Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
                        Christianity's problem right now is that it's perceived as bitter, hateful, resentful, and that it sends a message of "God only loves you if you're white, conservative, heterosexual, cisgender, and you believe exactly like us." In private, such as my conversations with Rev. Jen, is that 98% of Christians aren't like that. I just wish the 98% would start speaking up and saying "*******s don't speak for us."

                        The reverend has helped me understand that she's in the silent majority. I walk into Grace Episcopal and I don't get a second look for wearing a skirt or carrying a purse.
                        Perceived by who, though? Basically, people who aren't part of the religious group, right?

                        All religion is essentially different cults. What's the old gag, if the leader is alive, it's a cult. If the leader is dead, it's a religion. People are afraid of cults. And the more people in the cult seem different from you and me, the more we're afraid of them. When you are afraid, you're going to act out against the other side. Outsiders feel threatened by the cult, insiders feel threatened by the outsiders.

                        It will always be that way. Basically, its the nature of all living things, "birds of a feather" so to speak.
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                          Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                          Perceived by who, though? Basically, people who aren't part of the religious group, right?

                          All religion is essentially different cults. What's the old gag, if the leader is alive, it's a cult. If the leader is dead, it's a religion.
                          Or, "a religion is a cult with a navy."
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                          • #28
                            Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                            Perceived by who, though? Basically, people who aren't part of the religious group, right?
                            We didn't used to perceive Christians as a bunch of loud-mouthed fanatical hypocrites thundering fire and brimstone out of one side of their mouth while bedding down every underaged girl or boy they could get their grubby hands on with the other.

                            It took the "Christian Right," Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and James Dobson and Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann and Mike Huckabee, to turn the public face of Christianity into a bunch of pedophile con men and mental defectives.

                            It's a self-inflicted wound. Good Christians need to tell those Tartuffian Father Coughlins to go f-ck themselves. Christians have the Muslim ISIS problem: if you don't condemn them then you're joining forces whether you like it or not. Up until now Christian leaders have been perfectly willing to cut that deal because it gave them power, and Christian voters have been willing to because it gave them anti-choice SCOTUS votes.

                            They bought the ticket and now they're taking the ride.
                            Last edited by Kepler; 04-20-2018, 10:31 AM.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              Non-Christian didn't used to perceive Christians as a bunch of loud-mouthed fanatical hypocrites thundering fire and brimstone out of one side of their mouth while bedding down every underaged girl or boy they could get their grubby hands on with the other.

                              It took the "Christian Right," Robertson and Falwell and Dobson, to turn the public face of Christianity into a bunch of pedophile con men.
                              BS. The only thing that's changed is the coarseness of human dialogue. Society used to abide by the old saw, "if you can't say something nice about someone, say nothing at all." Now, we can't wait to publicly excoriate those we don't like, or fear.
                              That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

                                Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                                TCat...to carry this forward. Broadly speaking, Christians give. Per Philanthropy Roundtable:

                                Religious faith is a central influence on giving. Religious people are much more likely than the non-religious to donate to charitable causes—including secular causes—and they give much more. And the results show that persons who attend religious services twice a month or more give over four times as much as persons who never attend services.

                                We know the religious are also far more likely to volunteer. Among Americans who have volunteered within the last year, three quarters belong to a religious organization, one quarter do not.
                                Tithing to the church officially counts as a charitable donation. Was that taken into account? Once you remove tithing to the church, where do those figures sit?
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