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  • #916
    Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

    Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
    The initial report was correct so bring a bunch of squad cars and surround him and tell him to drop the weapon over the loudspeaker.

    I certainly don't think this was nearly as bad as what happened in the Philando case or some of the others but it just seems like the cops escalated the situation into a deadly one.
    This is a joke right? You want the police to waste resources on a drunk guy with a gun in the hopes he settles down? That isnt how de-escalation works and even if it was that is the most ridiculously inefficient way to handle the situation I have ever heard.

    But lets say they did that...the same people who are complaining now would be complaining about how it was "overkill" to send that many cops and how that only made the situation worse and how they need to (and here is the ironic part) send loss cops in opes of de-escalating the situation.

    I am not cop defender, but this is not the case to die on the mountain for.
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    • #917
      Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

      IDK what the best solution is but running at a drunk guy with your gun drawn didn't exactly deescalate the situation either and ended up with the suspect being shot and killed (and possibly could've ended up with the officers being wounded or injured had it gone differently). And nobody said anything about a SWAT team or whatever the **** you guys are talking about, even if you can only spare only one squad car for calls like this I don't see why they can just start by using the loudspeaker from a distance to see if you can get the guy to drop the weapon first. The guy was just sitting on the curb talking to someone as far as I can tell until they started running at him.

      I agree this isn't nearly as egregious as the worse cop shootings we've seen (Philando) and the suspect bears plenty of blame here for his actions prior to the cops showing up but I'm not convinced there weren't better ways to handle this either. Do you think the Tamir Rice shooting or the one involving the guy with a BB gun in Walmart were justified as well? Because those were similar calls of armed suspects (at least that's what the cops were told) in which the suspect was holding what appeared to be a gun and they were subsequently ambushed and shot. In this case the officers did show some restraint and didn't shoot the guy until he reached toward the weapon so some credit where it's due.
      Last edited by trixR4kids; 07-31-2018, 11:32 AM.

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      • #918
        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
        IDK what the best solution is but running at a drunk guy with your gun drawn didn't exactly deescalate the situation either and ended up with the suspect being shot and killed (and possibly could've ended up with the officers being wounded or injured had it gone differently). And nobody said anything about a SWAT team or whatever the **** you guys are talking about, even if you can only spare only one squad car for calls like this I don't see why they can just start by using the loudspeaker from a distance to see if you can get the guy to drop the weapon first. The guy was just sitting on the curb talking to someone as far as I can tell until they started running at him.

        I agree this isn't nearly as egregious as the worse cop shootings we've seen (Philando) and the suspect bears plenty of blame here for his actions prior to the cops showing up but I'm not convinced there weren't better ways to handle this either. Do you think the Tamir Rice shooting or the one involving the guy with a BB gun in Walmart were justified as well? Because those were similar calls of armed suspects (at least that's what the cops were told) in which the suspect was holding what appeared to be a gun and they were subsequently ambushed and shot. In this case the officers did show some restraint and didn't shoot the guy until he reached toward the weapon so some credit where it's due.
        If you can't see the difference between those situations and this one then I'm not sure what to tell you.

        I'm not exactly Mr. Defender when it comes to cops and I am on their side that should tell you something.
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        • #919
          Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

          No situation is going to be exactly the same but there were enough similarities to compare.

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          • #920
            Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

            Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
            No situation is going to be exactly the same but there were enough similarities to compare.
            Yeah, no. The only similarities were it was a black man with a gun.

            Castile was in a car, calm, wasn't reported as firing the gun, wasn't reported as being drunk, didn't run, and didn't pull his gun.
            This guy did all of that exactly opposite.
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            • #921
              Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

              Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
              Yeah, no. The only similarities were it was a black man with a gun.

              Castile was in a car, calm, wasn't reported as firing the gun, wasn't reported as being drunk, didn't run, and didn't pull his gun.
              This guy did all of that exactly opposite.
              I wasn't comparing to Castille.

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              • #922
                Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                In this case the cops got it "right" in how they handled it. I don't mean the guy deserved to die but rather he left them no choice but to fire on him.

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                • #923
                  Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                  Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                  In this case the cops got it "right" in how they handled it. I don't mean the guy deserved to die but rather he left them no choice but to fire on him.
                  99% agree

                  I’m not sure rolling in super hot and escalating the way they did was perfect, but it’s about as close as you can get in a hot situation where gunshots have already been reported. I don’t have a solution for that.
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                  • #924
                    Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                    Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                    In this case the cops got it "right" in how they handled it. I don't mean the guy deserved to die but rather he left them no choice but to fire on him.
                    Bingo.

                    The cops had no idea of this guy's intentions. One comment in the Star Trib said it wasn't illegal to own a gun. Um, in this case it was. He was a felon.
                    You're a cop. You roll up to a person who's been drinking, has fired shots, and has been reported as unpredictable. You exit your vehicle, this person brandishes a gun and runs like hell.

                    You have a split second to decide what to do.

                    Case closed.
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                    • #925
                      Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                      99% agree

                      I’m not sure rolling in super hot and escalating the way they did was perfect, but it’s about as close as you can get in a hot situation where gunshots have already been reported. I don’t have a solution for that.
                      The dude was sitting on the curb talking to a lady with his gun in his pants. That isn't a situation that calls for coming in full speed guns drawn. The reports were there was a drunk guy firing into the air, not at people. I haven't seen a thing saying he was reported as being violent. They absolutely could have rolled up and tried talking to him, or just let him run, he wasn't violent.

                      To Brent's point, he did NOT brandish his weapon then run, he ran and pulled it out at some point while running and screaming to be left alone.

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                      • #926
                        Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                        If this case isn't cut and dried justified, and sorrow, I don't know what is. I really don't. Active shooter, while drinking. F'real, folks......
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                        • #927
                          Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                          Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                          The dude was sitting on the curb talking to a lady with his gun in his pants. That isn't a situation that calls for coming in full speed guns drawn. The reports were there was a drunk guy firing into the air, not at people. I haven't seen a thing saying he was reported as being violent. They absolutely could have rolled up and tried talking to him, or just let him run, he wasn't violent.

                          To Brent's point, he did NOT brandish his weapon then run, he ran and pulled it out at some point while running and screaming to be left alone.
                          Yeah, firing a gun indiscriminately into the air while drunk isn't dangerous to people at all...
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                          • #928
                            Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                            Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                            If this case isn't cut and dried justified, and sorrow, I don't know what is. I really don't. Active shooter, while drinking. F'real, folks......
                            Deadly force should be a last resort, not the first option. He was so dangerous that a lady with a small child was cool to be there talking with him

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                            • #929
                              Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                              Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                              Deadly force should be a last resort, not the first option. He was so dangerous that a lady with a small child was cool to be there talking with him
                              How about not firing a gun randomly, while drinking, then not obeying an officer's command, and THEN brandishing said gun you deny having?

                              You go ahead and put yourself in the cops' position, and hear people criticizing you. "Oh, just talk him down!" Yeah, not that easy.
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                              • #930
                                Re: Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

                                Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                                How about not firing a gun randomly, while drinking, then not obeying an officer's command, and THEN brandishing said gun you deny having?

                                You go ahead and put yourself in the cops' position, and hear people criticizing you. "Oh, just talk him down!" Yeah, not that easy.
                                I'd like to see an officer charge at you with his gun drawn and see how you do at following his commands. I'm guessing the instinct to run like hell is pretty **** strong. And then when they yell I'll ****1ng kill you, it doesn't feel like stopping is a natural instinct either. Again, the way they rolled in, there was only one way this could possibly end. You're ok with it, I'm not.

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