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  • #46
    Originally posted by MavHockey14 View Post
    I understand why the leagues want these “integrity” fees or whatever, but that will never happen. The books and casinos regulate these bets — why provide a fee to the leagues when they don’t have to? The NBA won’t be able to tell MGM you can’t offer bets on our games.. unless I’m misunderstanding, there’s no leverage, is there?

    Sure they don’t have to take bets live at their arenas then — but people will be making bets on their mobile devices and will be able to do so from their seats in the arena.
    I think they want the $$ for providing the supporting data for the side bets. Final score is probably public domain. The stats are probably owned by the leagues.
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    • #47
      Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
      I guarantee within 10 years the majority of states will make it legal. Hell I bet Minnesota will do it in five. I know that goes against Kepler's truly well thought out and well sourced belief that only fundies care about gambling, but it is the truth.
      Now, now... that's not what I said. I suggested Fundies, being rock stupid, are bad at math. That does not preclude other people being bad at math.
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      • #48
        Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        The stats are probably owned by the leagues.
        I've heard this said before, and I just don't understand. How can counting the number of events in a publicly broadcast event be private property?
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        • #49
          Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Now, now... that's not what I said. I suggested Fundies, being rock stupid, are bad at math. That does not preclude other people being bad at math.
          Seriously...do you have fun doing anything? Not everyone gambles cause of math...
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          • #50
            Originally posted by joecct View Post
            I think they want the $$ for providing the supporting data for the side bets. Final score is probably public domain. The stats are probably owned by the leagues.
            Nope.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              I've heard this said before, and I just don't understand. How can counting the number of events in a publicly broadcast event be private property?
              It's not.

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              • #52
                Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                I think they want the $$ for providing the supporting data for the side bets. Final score is probably public domain. The stats are probably owned by the leagues.
                That issue was decided long ago, back when I think MLB went after some fantasy baseball organizations, as I recall. MLB struck out on their claim that they can copyright their stats.
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                • #53
                  Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

                  So what is the "integrity fee" I keep reading about??
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    So what is the "integrity fee" I keep reading about??
                    Basically the leagues are throwing up a last ditch effort to try and get a little cut of the pie — smart to try, but it’ll never work. There obviously will be regulations that must be met regarding all this, but the books and casinos take care of that — the leagues are saying they want 1% of each $ bet on their games, to help make sure there is integrity and things are regulated. Ultimately, the leagues want to use their size and power to try and get some coin and it won’t happen.

                    Outside of St. Clown’s mentions of tv contracts and how they’re sold to specific books, etc. the leagues have no leverage.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by MavHockey14 View Post
                      Basically the leagues are throwing up a last ditch effort to try and get a little cut of the pie — smart to try, but it’ll never work. There obviously will be regulations that must be met regarding all this, but the books and casinos take care of that. Ultimately, the leagues want to use their size and power to try and get some coin and it won’t hapoen.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                        Never say never
                        As a sportsbook or entity that offers action on these leagues, why would you agree to give away some of your cut?
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                        • #57
                          Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          So what is the "integrity fee" I keep reading about??
                          Just an attempt by the leagues to capitalize on sports betting, financially.

                          What leagues have tried to do, as I understand it, is to convince state legislatures to add an "integrity fee" tax to sports betting that would be turned over to the league. I don't think they've had much luck in this regard. The states aren't known for their willingness to share tax money.

                          What you will probably see is a big push by the leagues to get Congress to adopt some sort of federal law governing sports betting, and include a fee with that.

                          The problem with the leagues is that they always overplay their hand. They go in and ask for a percentage of the total amount bet, which no sane party would agree to since the sports books lose 40-50% of the bets placed.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                            Just an attempt by the leagues to capitalize on sports betting, financially.

                            What leagues have tried to do, as I understand it, is to convince state legislatures to add an "integrity fee" tax to sports betting that would be turned over to the league. I don't think they've had much luck in this regard. The states aren't known for their willingness to share tax money.

                            What you will probably see is a big push by the leagues to get Congress to adopt some sort of federal law governing sports betting, and include a fee with that.

                            The problem with the leagues is that they always overplay their hand. They go in and ask for a percentage of the total amount bet, which no sane party would agree to since the sports books lose 40-50% of the bets placed.
                            Bingo.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by MavHockey14 View Post
                              As a sportsbook or entity that offers action on these leagues, why would you agree to give away some of your cut?
                              They will probably work out something where they can advertise in stadiums.
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                              • #60
                                Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

                                Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                                They will probably work out something where they can advertise in stadiums.
                                Some *** for tat
                                I don't think most of the leagues would allow that. While it's great revenue stream potential, it could create the image of them working with the bookies and 8 Men Out would be just the beginning of the accusations after a major upset.
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