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  • #16
    Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

    Originally posted by Hokydad View Post
    Didn't ruin Marchand, Bergeron, Kregic, Krug and others
    Makes them better
    Might be a veterans coach and doesn't love young guys but does not ruin them
    Fortunately Seguin is was able to get out.

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    • #17
      Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

      Originally posted by Hokydad View Post
      Didn't ruin Marchand, Bergeron, Kregic, Krug and others
      Makes them better
      Might be a veterans coach and doesn't love young guys but does not ruin them
      Bergeron had several years in the league before Julien came aboard. Kreciji has never been a franchise player and has not really developed as such although he is a good player. Krug has regressed every year he has played under Julien. Pastrnak is going nowhere fast under Julien. Marchand is probably the one exception although I think his play has more to do with his getting close to free agency. Sorry but if the Bruins are going to rebuild, Julien is not the coach to get them there. Kessel has thrived under Mike Sullivan and Seguin, well, I think you know what happened there. Even Reilly Smith had a great year in Florida and is continuing to light it up in the playoffs.

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      • #18
        Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

        Adam Fox breaks the single season pts record for a defenseman at the USNDT. He will be a frosh next year (along with John Marino who is one of the leading defenseman from a pts perspective in the USHL). Although freshman who will no doubt be prone to freshman mistakes, we should see much more defensive contribution next year and much better ability to break the puck out of the zone which will allow Harvard to better utilize its speed and skill.

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        • #19
          Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

          Originally posted by bothman View Post
          Adam Fox breaks the single season pts record for a defenseman at the USNDT. He will be a frosh next year (along with John Marino who is one of the leading defenseman from a pts perspective in the USHL). Although freshman who will no doubt be prone to freshman mistakes, we should see much more defensive contribution next year and much better ability to break the puck out of the zone which will allow Harvard to better utilize its speed and skill.
          Here's hoping that Dumbrovsky and Baughman feed off what Fox and Marino will bring and they will gain the confidence to join the rush more often. We'll need that from our D as scoring from our forwards will be a challenge next season.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Skate79 View Post
            Bergeron had several years in the league before Julien came aboard. Kreciji has never been a franchise player and has not really developed as such although he is a good player. Krug has regressed every year he has played under Julien. Pastrnak is going nowhere fast under Julien. Marchand is probably the one exception although I think his play has more to do with his getting close to free agency. Sorry but if the Bruins are going to rebuild, Julien is not the coach to get them there. Kessel has thrived under Mike Sullivan and Seguin, well, I think you know what happened there. Even Reilly Smith had a great year in Florida and is continuing to light it up in the playoffs.
            Kessel sucked this year. One of his worst years this year playing with Crosby. Total stiff., who would you rather have, kessel with Julian with 60 points or last year without Julian and 60 points

            With Julian, 60 points, +23. Last year without, 60 points and a minus 34


            Bergeron has been with Julian 10 of his 11 years and is the top two way forward in the league, perpetual all star and Olympian
            Krug with a bad shoulder, could barely shoot puck had most points ever in his career and is a dramatically better two way player, plays pk now, never before
            Kreciji is always injured and still a stud player

            Swap Thomas for rask and they are still playing

            Teams only as good as goalie and rask is a goat

            Couple in chara and seidenberg, whom I both love but are past prime++

            Julian is not remotely the problem
            Last edited by Hokydad; 04-21-2016, 07:38 AM.

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            • #21
              Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

              Originally posted by Hokydad View Post
              Kessel sucked this year. One of his worst years this year playing with Crosby. Total stiff., who would you rather have, kessel with Julian with 60 points or last year without Julian and 60 points

              With Julian, 60 points, +23. Last year without, 60 points and a minus 34


              Bergeron has been with Julian 10 of his 11 years and is the top two way forward in the league, perpetual all star and Olympian
              Krug with a bad shoulder, could barely shoot puck had most points ever in his career and is a dramatically better two way player, plays pk now, never before
              Kreciji is always injured and still a stud player

              Swap Thomas for rask and they are still playing

              Teams only as good as goalie and rask is a goat

              Couple in chara and seidenberg, whom I both love but are past prime++

              Julian is not remotely the problem
              All good points. A+
              Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
              The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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              • #22
                Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                Originally posted by Hokydad View Post
                Kessel sucked this year. One of his worst years this year playing with Crosby. Total stiff., who would you rather have, kessel with Julian with 60 points or last year without Julian and 60 points

                With Julian, 60 points, +23. Last year without, 60 points and a minus 34


                Bergeron has been with Julian 10 of his 11 years and is the top two way forward in the league, perpetual all star and Olympian
                Krug with a bad shoulder, could barely shoot puck had most points ever in his career and is a dramatically better two way player, plays pk now, never before
                Kreciji is always injured and still a stud player

                Swap Thomas for rask and they are still playing

                Teams only as good as goalie and rask is a goat

                Couple in chara and seidenberg, whom I both love but are past prime++

                Julian is not remotely the problem
                I don't know how you can say that when I offered evidence to the contrary. Kessel will never be a two way player and the trade netted them an opportunity to grow a young nucleus. But Julien simply doesn't like young skilled players. He stunts their development by benching them while veterans that he puts out there for heavy minutes make the same mistakes. Or moving them up and down forward lines denying them an opportunity to build chemistry and confidence.

                Look at Beleskey. He was a much better player for Anaheim. He was barely an upgrade over Lucic this season. I look at Florida and Tampa and see how they have been able to get much more out of young players and it is clear that Julien's system and approach is outmoded.

                You want another prediction? If they stick with Julien, they'll be looking up at Buffalo in the next couple of seasons. That team is young and growing in confidence and if Vesey heads up there to play with Eichel, well, watch out.

                Postscript: You do know that Cam Neely openly wondered on Felger and Mazz how Reilly Smith could fail here in Boston and yet flourish in Florida. He publicly admitted that he has thought about it. You think maybe he's wondering if it has to do with the coach? Hmm?

                And Phil Kessel, FYI, has a goal and an assist in today's game against the Rangers. Sure, who needs him when you can have Jimmy Hayes or Lee Stempniak.
                Last edited by Skate79; 04-23-2016, 02:46 PM.

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                • #23
                  Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                  On April 16, Kessel had 2 goals and was a -2 against the Rangers. Almost gotta try to make that happen.
                  If one had a team full of Kessels, not so sure you'd win a whole lot of games.
                  Last edited by FiveHole12; 04-23-2016, 06:03 PM.
                  'Eavesdropped the BC forum in USCHO. A range of intellects over there. Mostly gentlemen, but a couple of coarse imbeciles' - academic_index, a Brown fan

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                  • #24
                    Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                    Everywhere Paul Vincent goes they win and the younger players get better. Look at Florida, 3+ years in, young talent killing it and most wins ever in franchise history. Same as Chicago and exactly why Talkon hired him immediately

                    Doesn't surprise me at all that Smith is doing so well, he works with him. Same as Hayes had great year in Foorida when working daily with Vincent
                    Jimmy will be just fine, couple dings but will be back next year, natural goal scorer

                    Vincent is a miracle worker, Petrovic, Ekblad on and on

                    No one better at working with young talent

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                    • #25
                      Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                      Originally posted by FiveHole12 View Post
                      On April 16, Kessel had 2 goals and was a -2 against the Rangers. Almost gotta try to make that happen.
                      If one had a team full of Kessels, not so sure you'd win a whole lot of games.
                      I'm not saying he is a complete 200 foot player. What I am saying is that Mike Sullivan has obviously got him buying into playing better at both ends and his offensive skill takes the pressure off Crosby and Malkin. In fact it was the supporting cast that did in the Rangers. Kessel had a goal and an assist and probably could have scored another had he not been trying to set up teammates yesterday. Another big change in his game from when he played with the Bruins.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                        Originally posted by Hokydad View Post
                        Everywhere Paul Vincent goes they win and the younger players get better. Look at Florida, 3+ years in, young talent killing it and most wins ever in franchise history. Same as Chicago and exactly why Talkon hired him immediately

                        Doesn't surprise me at all that Smith is doing so well, he works with him. Same as Hayes had great year in Foorida when working daily with Vincent
                        Jimmy will be just fine, couple dings but will be back next year, natural goal scorer

                        Vincent is a miracle worker, Petrovic, Ekblad on and on

                        No one better at working with young talent
                        Great, then the Bruins should call him and offer him a position as an assistant coach to work with the younger players. Let's see what he can do with Spooner, Vatrano, Pastrnak and Acciari. If he can get Hayes turned around, all the better.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Skate79 View Post
                          Great, then the Bruins should call him and offer him a position as an assistant coach to work with the younger players. Let's see what he can do with Spooner, Vatrano, Pastrnak and Acciari. If he can get Hayes turned around, all the better.
                          He changed residency to Florida, living on the course in Naples. Florida is last NHL stop

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                          • #28
                            Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                            Adam Fox rated best D at the World Junior U-18 tourney.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                              Originally posted by Hokydad View Post
                              Kessel sucked this year. One of his worst years this year playing with Crosby. Total stiff., who would you rather have, kessel with Julian with 60 points or last year without Julian and 60 points

                              With Julian, 60 points, +23. Last year without, 60 points and a minus 34


                              Bergeron has been with Julian 10 of his 11 years and is the top two way forward in the league, perpetual all star and Olympian
                              Krug with a bad shoulder, could barely shoot puck had most points ever in his career and is a dramatically better two way player, plays pk now, never before
                              Kreciji is always injured and still a stud player

                              Swap Thomas for rask and they are still playing

                              Teams only as good as goalie and rask is a goat

                              Couple in chara and seidenberg, whom I both love but are past prime++

                              Julian is not remotely the problem
                              Chiarelli got the B's in trouble with the salary cap, getting rid of Boychuk and Hamilton with Chara and Seidenberg hurt and aging was the problem. B's went from one of the best defensive teams in the league but couldn't score, to a leaky undersized(Krug) defensive team that ultimately cost them. They have a ton of offensive potential now, they need defensemen and they'll be fine.
                              It all starts with the goaltending.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Harvard Crimson 2016-2017

                                Originally posted by Hokydad View Post
                                He changed residency to Florida, living on the course in Naples. Florida is last NHL stop
                                He?
                                The Souza record:
                                15-16 10th place
                                16-17 10th place
                                17-18 11th place
                                18-19 8th place
                                19-20 9th place
                                20-21 10th place
                                21-22 9th place
                                22-23 10th place

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