POTUS 45.20 - Doddering Dotards Dodging Detente

[The Rube]

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He is VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He makes a public declaration like that and you think he is speaking as just another schmuck? You think he is stupid enough to believe that is the case?

Cannot a VP attend a game and state his personal opinion? Pence, IMO, was not representing the US government in this case. He was stating his personal opinion.


And thank you to those who consider me a good poster. I try to be honest and fair when it comes to all things. I know my opinions grate others at times, but those who disagree with me are saying this? It does mean a lot. Thank you.

[GrinCDXX]

Cannot a VP attend a game and state his personal opinion? Pence, IMO, was not representing the US government in this case. He was stating his personal opinion.


And thank you to those who consider me a good poster. I try to be honest and fair when it comes to all things. I know my opinions grate others at times, but those who disagree with me are saying this? It does mean a lot. Thank you.

He is free to express himself the way he did. And we are free to respond by saying he's a disgrace to the office because of the way he expressed himself.

[The Rube]

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He is free to express himself the way he did. And we are free to respond by saying he's a disgrace to the office because of the way he expressed himself.

Agreed. And it's one big circle. The circle stops when one says "You can't say that" not when one says "You shouldn't say that."

[Handyman]

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But again no one said he cant say that. We are saying if he had any respect for the office he holds he WOULDNT do what he did but we didnt say he couldnt. That is the problem with the "Free Speech" argument it is arguing a point no is making.

The fact that they wasted the money on this stunt (just anther in a long line of misappropriated funds by the members of this administration) has nothing to do with free speech. It has to do with the fact that these clowns would rather not be upstaged by a bunch of Black Football Players. They didnt like all the press the NFL got so they had to one up them. Maybe next Pence will burn his Colts Jersey like the morons who voted for him. Great protest...you realize the NFL has your money already right Cletus?

[The Rube]

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But again no one said he cant say that. We are saying if he had any respect for the office he holds he WOULDNT do what he did but we didnt say he couldnt. That is the problem with the "Free Speech" argument it is arguing a point no is making.

The fact that they wasted the money on this stunt (just anther in a long line of misappropriated funds by the members of this administration) has nothing to do with free speech. It has to do with the fact that these clowns would rather not be upstaged by a bunch of Black Football Players. They didnt like all the press the NFL got so they had to one up them. Maybe next Pence will burn his Colts Jersey like the morons who voted for him. Great protest...you realize the NFL has your money already right Cletus?

And there's the rub. This money was spent already. If he stayed the whole game, and issued a "We disagree with the kneel as a protest" statement afterwards...how much uproar compared to what is currently happening? I say not as much. Some, but not like now.

[rufus]

And there's the rub. This money was spent already. If he stayed the whole game, and issued a "We disagree with the kneel as a protest" statement afterwards...how much uproar compared to what is currently happening? I say not as much. Some, but not like now.

But that's the issue. The money was not going to be spent until Trumpy and he came up with this publicity stunt. The only reason he went to the game was so he could make a big show about walking out of it

[leswp1]

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Agreed. And it's one big circle. The circle stops when one says "You can't say that" not when one says "You shouldn't say that."

With the office comes responsibility. When he appears in public he is not a private citizen and should comport himself accordingly. He did not.

And there's the rub. This money was spent already. If he stayed the whole game, and issued a "We disagree with the kneel as a protest" statement afterwards...how much uproar compared to what is currently happening? I say not as much. Some, but not like now.

Again- the money spent issue is flat out wrong. Cost/Benefit ratio comes into play here. He pretty much spent $ to throw a very short tantrum. The equivalent of poking the bees nest and running.

I asked this on FB- if you are a parent how do you deal with explaining the current situation to kids? People are saying we need to 'respect the Prez, VP, the flag, the anthem, you name it. The behaviour from our leaders is morally and ethically wrong. Perhaps how you are answering gives me my answer. You are willing to ignore the morality, whether he should ethically do it because 'legally' he has the right. But I still don't get why people can't look at the morality or at it ethically. This is kind of like the Pharisees who wanted to cling to the 'Law" while missing the point of it.

[dave122793]

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With the office comes responsibility. When he appears in public he is not a private citizen and should comport himself accordingly. He did not.


Again- the money spent issue is flat out wrong. Cost/Benefit ratio comes into play here. He pretty much spent $ to throw a very short tantrum. The equivalent of poking the bees nest and running.

I asked this on FB- if you are a parent how do you deal with explaining the current situation to kids? People are saying we need to 'respect the Prez, VP, the flag, the anthem, you name it. The behaviour from our leaders is morally and ethically wrong. Perhaps how you are answering gives me my answer. You are willing to ignore the morality, whether he should ethically do it because 'legally' he has the right. But I still don't get why people can't look at the morality or at it ethically. This is kind of like the Pharisees who wanted to cling to the 'Law" while missing the point of it.

Bingo. This was clearly a politically motivated stunt and it is beneath the office. Seems like these guys should find better use of their time then to make some meaningless FB/Twitter spectacle. It's a waste of everyone's time.

[burd]

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IMO, saying Pence was just making a personal statement is the kind of confirmation bias rationalization that got Trump elected in the first place.

[ScoobyDoo]

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And there's the rub. This money was spent already. If he stayed the whole game, and issued a "We disagree with the kneel as a protest" statement afterwards...how much uproar compared to what is currently happening? I say not as much. Some, but not like now.

It's no wonder this country is bankrupt.

[mookie1995]

Had obama done that you'd be so butthurt you'd be walking funny for a week.
You didn't know there was potentially another reason for the trip til after you posted your original rant. MNS posted that after you said you didn't think it was a big deal.

Good to know you don't care about taxpayer money funding stunts like this.

Everything a politician does is a funded stunt.

[mookie1995]

No.
First off I don't think I feel too hot with my money being spent for a football game when there are people in the country without essentials.

More importantly having my tax dollars spent so some guy could go to a game to walk out because the Prez told him to is ridiculous. If he said the protest was bs but stayed he wouldn't have spent hundreds of thousands of $ to fly there with an entourage of secret service, changed the plan for security for the whole event for a few minutes. Spending money just to throw a tantrum is not money well spent. You cannot possibly view the world as so simplistically. Cost/benefit ratio is something that comes to mind. If he were to go somewhere for a few minutes and actually do something that forwarded the country's interests I am all in. I am not all in if he is acting at the behest of a spoiled, narcissistic, sociopath man-child who is perserevating on a subject that is distracting from what he should be doing.

but Barry, bubba, and tD playing golf all the time is ok?

There are enough horses to cry upon than this already. C'mon people!!!

[ScoobyDoo]

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John Oliver had a very enlightening report on the Confederacy last night.

[mookie1995]

But that's the issue. The money was not going to be spent until Trumpy and he came up with this publicity stunt. The only reason he went to the game was so he could make a big show about walking out of it

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Mr Rufus E Gully-Bul

[ScoobyDoo]

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It's interesting how everyone is up in arms about Harvey Weinstein. Really? We really care about that? Republicans care about that? Why? We have a sexual predator in the Presidency. Stop pretending America cares about that ****.