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  • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I think you're confusing a dictatorship with communism. Or rather, you aren't differentiating between a communist dictatorship and a communist ideology.
    But they are pretty inseparable. One leads to the other. And as an example, where does Marx say the bourgeoisie gives up their property voluntarily for the good of the state? He doesn't, because they won't. Which means the proletariat must seize their property by force. And as people are generally inclined to protect their homes and property, you're probably gonna have to kill or imprison them to take their stuff. Which as we've seen several times, is exactly the form this particular ideology takes. Just ask 65 million Chinese or 20 million Russians. (You can't. They're dead.)

    And even after that initial murdering is done, it continues, because Communism as some happy, "everybody is equal - no one is above anyone else" does not exist because for one, people are not wired that way and someone will always take power unchecked. Pretending the ideology when put into practice leads to something else that is good, is just that -- pretend.
    Originally posted by WiscTJK
    I'm with Wisko and Tim.
    Originally posted by Timothy A
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    • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

      Originally posted by geezer View Post
      There might as well be. Communism has NEVER been tried without enormous needless suffering; it's a feature of rigid central planning. It's frightening that people are already whitewashing a poisonous way of thinking and apparently thinking "if we do it right next time..." Read the Gulag Archipelago.
      Liberal socialism (preserving individual freedoms and party politics along with central planning) is not Communism.
      So getting back to the original reason this was brought up, do you personally think someone who chooses to identify with the Communist party is an inherently bad person? I'm assuming you would think so of someone who chooses to identify with the KKK.

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      • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

        Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
        The full quote, just in case you're interested.


        - Unfairly. Check.
        - I won. Check.
        He's got that punch list speech done.
        Hey that's super. *****ing about the media and jerking yourself off is not proper content for a ****ing graduation speech to a military academy.

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        • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

          Originally posted by geezer View Post
          Communism has NEVER been tried without enormous needless suffering
          The Cluniacs, Benedictines, Carthusians, Franciscans, and Cistercians called.

          But Proudhon had this all pegged as irrelevant 150 years ago. The future will neither be capitalist nor communist. Ancestor ideologies cannot predict descendant ideologies by definition: the Next Way is literally beyond the Current Way's imagination.

          Capitalism was a net positive stage for 400 years, not a bad record. Feudalism was useful for roughly the same amount of time before it began falling apart. Over the last century capitalism has exhausted its useful work and turned rancid, becoming a net negative, but that doesn't mean the next solution is in the past. Even the improvements that have been applied to try to save the system (social welfare systems) are just bandages on a dying limb.

          The people who will invent the next useful and productive economic system have probably not yet been born, and when they are they will probably come from places so peripheral we in the dogmatic part of the world will never even see them coming until they have laid us to rest.
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          • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

            Originally posted by Gurtholfin View Post


            Is there something in the bylaws/principles of communism that says kill lots of people?
            Sorry, I'm too busy for this busy thread today but above I suggested the answer to that is yes, i.e. "Seize the means of production!"
            Originally posted by WiscTJK
            I'm with Wisko and Tim.
            Originally posted by Timothy A
            Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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            • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

              Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
              Sorry, I'm too busy for this busy thread today but above I suggested the answer to that is yes, i.e. "Seize the means of production!"
              Is that so much different than seizing King George's colonies?

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              • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                The Cluniacs, Benedictines, Carthusians, Franciscans, and Cistercians called.

                But Proudhon had this all pegged as irrelevant 150 years ago. The future will neither be capitalist nor communist. Ancestor ideologies cannot predict descendant ideologies by definition: the Next Way is literally beyond the Current Way's imagination.

                Capitalism was a net positive stage for 500 years, not a bad record. Over the last 100 it has turned rancid and become a net negative, but that doesn't mean the solution is in the past. The people who will invent the next useful and productive economic system haven't yet been born.
                And weren't they espousing socialism rather than communism? They wanted people to go out, earn whatever they were able, but then willingly share with their neighbors in the bonds of Christendom and God, if I understand correctly. That's not the same as communism, which is a forced system.
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                • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                  Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                  Hey that's super. *****ing about the media and jerking yourself off is not proper content for a ****ing graduation speech to a military academy.
                  Trump gonna Trump.


                  PS - If that's all you read, you may have missed his message on perseverance. Then again, he doesn't have much personal experience to draw from.
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                  • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                    Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
                    Sorry, I'm too busy for this busy thread today but above I suggested the answer to that is yes, i.e. "Seize the means of production!"
                    https://pics.me.me/seize-the-ah-mean...s-18767801.png

                    Seizure can be by peaceful means. We've done that in the past. Just as we decided people aren't farm equipment and stole the property the masters called slaves, just as we decided people aren't subjects and stole the property the aristocracy called "the kingdom," so might we decide people aren't "human resources" and steal the property the owners call "capital assets."

                    At the end of the day the only way for the 1% to stop us is by paying large numbers of us to kill those of us who make that choice. What might happen instead is those would-be mercenaries might just tell the 1% they do not choose to die to protect an antiquated notion of property. And the world will keep turning.
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                    • Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
                      Is that so much different than seizing King George's colonies?
                      We won. That's our only excuse .
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                      • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        The people who will invent the next useful and productive economic system have probably not yet been born, and when they are they will probably come from places so peripheral we in the dogmatic part of the world will never even see them coming until they have laid us to rest.
                        The people who "invented" "capitalism" didn't realize what they'd done.
                        And those who put them to rest probably didn't know fully what had been done yet either.
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                        • Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                          "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media, no politician in history has been treated worse or more unfairly..."
                          Garfield, McKinley, Lincoln, JFK, Guillermo Gaviria Correa, Patrice Lumumba, Julius Caesar, Nelson Mandella...

                          Nope. Never in the history of the world has a politician ever been treated worse or more unfairly than President Trump.
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                          • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                            And weren't they espousing socialism rather than communism? They wanted people to go out, earn whatever they were able, but then willingly share with their neighbors in the bonds of Christendom and God, if I understand correctly. That's not the same as communism, which is a forced system.
                            No, you're ascribing later concepts to earlier people. Just as we would not compute to them, they do not compute using our concepts. They simply didn't think in the same terms we take for granted. The ideological superstructure of the current era that loads economic terminology with moral content would have struck them to be as meaningless as their endless arguments over angels on the head of a pin* strike us. It's not "wrong," it's just {null}. The Next Thing is Outside of our mindset, and a mindset refuses to acknowledge it has any Outside. The future must always be in the blind spot, otherwise it's just a prolonging of the present.

                            The best text I have read for trying to crawl inside the monastic / medieval mind is "The Discarded Image" by C. S. Lewis. It is the only time I have felt for brief instants that I could carry the thought of another age in my head.


                            * I am citing the common knowledge concept of this argument. In reality, the "angels on the head of a pin" argument is an incredibly interesting and relevant argument about nominalism and universals. It poses the question of whether existence implies spacial extension, and whether two things not occupying the same time and space can ever be said to be the "same" thing. It's one of the coolest ideas to come out of the Middle Ages, a period that is replete with cool ideas.
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                            • Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                              The bolded may be one of the scarier aspects of this and it's missed.
                              He either "blind squirrelled" this or he orchestrated it to troll the media (and keep them in a lather).
                              And sycophants like yourself buy into the notion that because what he did was technically legal no one should be ****ed off about it.
                              Last edited by unofan; 05-17-2017, 12:55 PM.

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                              • Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

                                Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                                The full quote, just in case you're interested.


                                - Unfairly. Check.
                                - I won. Check.
                                He's got that punch list speech done.
                                I hope that gets glued to his cell wall in Leavenworth.
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