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  • #31
    Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    Any thoughts/guesses on States that will not approve gambling?
    The Footloose states, I assume: Kansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi. Anywhere people still think the Man in the Sky's a real thing.
    Last edited by Kepler; 05-15-2018, 10:22 AM.
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    • #32
      Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

      Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
      mookie will look forward to laying bets on wrestlemania and the royal rumble!!
      Can you actually bet on a scripted event like that, or is that a joke? Srsly, that sounds like an actual license to print money for the criminals who run wrestling.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        The Footloose states, I assume: Kansas, Utah, Mississippi, that kinda derp.
        Uh, Mississippi has legislation in the works. IITC they do (or did pre Katrina) have a big casino down near the gulf.
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        • #34
          Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          Uh, Mississippi has legislation in the works. IITC they do (or did pre Katrina) have a big casino down near the gulf.
          I can see that, too. Missouri came to mind as a state that on the one hand is filled with those mouthbreathers but on the other hand has the riverboat traffic where they vacuum the suckers dry.

          As with most things the Fundies are hypocritical on this, too. I think we'll wind up with "wide open towns" like in the olden days. They just steer that traffic to the black parts of town where the cops can go in and bust heads every once in a while to keep them in their place (c.f.,drug policy since the 1960s).

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Can you actually bet on a scripted event like that, or is that a joke? Srsly, that sounds like an actual license to print money for the criminals who run wrestling.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              Any thoughts/guesses on States that will not approve gambling?
              Nebraska. Never mind that there are 3 casinos in Council Bluffs where 9 out of 10 cars are from Omaha. They can't have gambling because reasons.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Rumor has it the NBA wants a 1% cut of every $ bet on the league.

                I think the Mouse will get involved.
                I understand why the leagues want these “integrity” fees or whatever, but that will never happen. The books and casinos regulate these bets — why provide a fee to the leagues when they don’t have to? The NBA won’t be able to tell MGM you can’t offer bets on our games.. unless I’m misunderstanding, there’s no leverage, is there?

                Sure they don’t have to take bets live at their arenas then — but people will be making bets on their mobile devices and will be able to do so from their seats in the arena.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by MavHockey14 View Post
                  I understand why the leagues want these “integrity” fees or whatever, but that will never happen. The books and casinos regulate these bets — why provide a fee to the leagues when they don’t have to? SCOTUS just rules it unconstitutional to outlaw betting on professional and amateur sports — the NBA won’t be able to tell MGM - you can offer bets on our games.

                  Sure they don’t have to take bets live at their arenas then — but people will be making bets on their mobile devices and will be able to do so from their seats in the arena.
                  For clarity, the court ruled that the feds can't bar states from offering gambling. The states could impose a fee to pass along to the respective sports if they choose to do so.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

                    Originally posted by MavHockey14 View Post
                    I understand why the leagues want these “integrity” fees or whatever, but that will never happen. The books and casinos regulate these bets — why provide a fee to the leagues when they don’t have to? The NBA won’t be able to tell MGM you can’t offer bets on our games.. unless I’m misunderstanding, there’s no leverage, is there?

                    Sure they don’t have to take bets live at their arenas then — but people will be making bets on their mobile devices and will be able to do so from their seats in the arena.
                    The NBA can do a couple things to the casinos. First, they can block certain mobile apps from working on their WiFi connections. Second, they can rewrite their cable and satellite contracts to not allow to those providers to sell the NBA service package to casinos. While it would hardly kill the business, it would make things less convenient and perhaps deter some gamblers who were on the margin.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      I will bet...low stakes but at least it will give me a reason to pretend to care about sports. Watching professional (or college nowadays) sports where I dont have a rooting interest is the biggest waste of time ever. At least if I put $10 on the game I have a reason to want the team to win. Just like horse racing...

                      And this will change nothing about the sports themselves. It isnt like gambling isnt already all over the place anyways. You know why point spreads and money lines are put in every newspaper across the country...it aint so the stats nerds can jerkoff with their protractors...it is because of gambling. You know why March Madness is a big deal...its 10% Cinderella Stories and 90% betting pools. You know why the NFL dominates...gambling.

                      Gambling is not going to change anything...
                      Yes it will - it will turn more average joes into fans who watch, and I do think fanbases for the non NFL sports have potential to grow too.

                      I don’t think it’ll change the games themselves, but who tunes in and for how long is a key piece to this.

                      Additionally, and we’ve seen it already, for example Bear’s segment on College Gameday, but pregame and halftime shows are going to change to include more betting and more lines, etc. people will want all the “help” they can get when betting before and during games.

                      As soon as this gets widespread on mobile devices, the changes could be pretty significant. I’m excited to watch it all play out over the next few years.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by unofan View Post
                        For clarity, the court ruled that the feds can't bar states from offering gambling. The states could impose a fee to pass along to the respective sports if they choose to do so.
                        Correct, I edited that piece out after I accidentally hit reply. Sometimes I struggle on my phone lol.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                          The NBA can do a couple things to the casinos. First, they can block certain mobile apps from working on their WiFi connections. Second, they can rewrite their cable and satellite contracts to not allow to those providers to sell the NBA service package to casinos. While it would hardly kill the business, it would make things less convenient and perhaps deter some gamblers who were on the margin.
                          Correct, but when I’m on my couch and have Canterbury’s app that allows me to bet through my account, the NBA (although I highly doubt I’ll be participating in that league’s action or watching much of it ) won’t have any control — if I’m at Target Center and not on a wi fi Network, if I have service I’ll be able to bet from my seat, and the NBA won’t be able to do anything about it, correct?

                          I know it may not be available mobile ASAP as things roll out and get moving, but all the casinos in Vegas allow you to bet via mobile throughout the state of Nevada and the books that won’t to take on a large customer base will make that a priority - I already received an email yesterday from DraftKings stating they’d be offering sports betting through their app where state guidelines allow.
                          Last edited by MavHockey14; 05-15-2018, 12:42 PM.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

                            I guarantee within 10 years the majority of states will make it legal. Hell I bet Minnesota will do it in five. I know that goes against Kepler's truly well thought out and well sourced belief that only fundies care about gambling, but it is the truth.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act ruled Unconstitutional

                              Originally posted by MavHockey14 View Post
                              Correct, but when I’m on my couch and have Canterbury’s app that allows me to bet through my account, the NBA (although I highly doubt I’ll be participating in that league’s action or watching much of it ) won’t have any control — if I’m at Target Center and not on a wi fi Network, if I have service I’ll be able to bet from my seat, and the NBA won’t be able to do anything about it, correct?

                              I know it may not be available mobile ASAP as things roll out and get moving, but all the casinos in Vegas allow you to bet via mobile throughout the state of Nevada and the books that won’t to take on a large customer base will make that a priority - I already received an email yesterday from DraftKings stating they’d be offering sports betting through their app where state guidelines allow.
                              I fully understand that the NBA/NFL/etc. putting in place a blackout for certain services is a very small road bump, but it's just about the only recourse they would have in order to collect such a fee as they were proposing. .
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                                I guarantee within 10 years the majority of states will make it legal. Hell I bet Minnesota will do it in five. I know that goes against Kepler's truly well thought out and well sourced belief that only fundies care about gambling, but it is the truth.
                                I envision sports stadiums/arenas becoming like dog tracks, would think that turns a lot of people off. Are there that many gamblers out there who don’t watch sports?
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