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  • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Did a Voter ID Law Really Cost Clinton a Victory in Wisconsin? - Slate
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...n_a_voter.html

    Interesting read. There isn't much of a conclusion other than, "don't jump to conclusions," but I think it's still worth a read.
    I will jump to a conclusion: the voter ID law is a red herring. Black turnout declined fairly equally in states that did and did not have a voter ID law, but the turnout in the states that did was somehow entirely attributable to the law? I also have a pretty strong prior that having vs. not having a black candidate to vote for is going to cause a significant drop on its own. Your stats had better be pretty tight if you want to convince me that other effects were in play.
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    • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      Did a Voter ID Law Really Cost Clinton a Victory in Wisconsin? - Slate
      http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...n_a_voter.html

      Interesting read. There isn't much of a conclusion other than, "don't jump to conclusions," but I think it's still worth a read.
      Yeah Keith Ellison posted an article about it (I posted it in a former thread) a few weeks ago. It isnt the reason, but stuff like that surely doesnt help and should not be allowed.
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      • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

        Evidently they still have spines in Montana.

        Greg Gianforte, Montana’s Republican candidate for U.S. Congress, is facing misdemeanor assault charges after he attacked Ben Jacobs, a reporter for The Guardian. There is horrifying audio of the attack and three Fox News reporters described seeing Gianforte grab Jacobs by the neck with both hands, body slamming him to the ground and then punching him in the face.

        Overnight, Montana’s three largest newspapers rescinded their endorsements of Gianforte, all offering hard-hitting op-eds.
        Gotta figure at least one of those papers is the Republican party rag, so bravo to whichever editor told the RNCC to pound sand.

        Although we're greatly troubled by this action against a member of the media who was just doing his job, to make this an issue of media intrusion or even a passionate defense of the role of a free press during an election would be to miss the point.

        If what was heard on tape and described by eye-witnesses is accurate, the incident in Bozeman is nothing short of assault. We wouldn't condone it if it happened on the street. We wouldn't condone it if it happened in a home or even a late-night bar fight. And we couldn't accept it from a man who is running to become Montana's lone Congressional representative.
        Good. And to the brown shirt GOP candidate and his apologists: go f-ck yourselves.
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        • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

          Montana has huge early vote. Frankly I'm hoping this guy still wins. It will shine a light if he does and the people on the Hill already will have to answer questions about him.
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            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
            Montana has huge early vote. Frankly I'm hoping this guy still wins. It will shine a light if he does and the people on the Hill already will have to answer questions about him.
            I think with early voting you can show up on election day, nullify your mail ballot, and vote. IINM that's how they answered the charge that early voting would create a disaster in just such a case as this one, with a potential felon being elected based on votes already cast prior to the crime.
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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              I think with early voting you can show up on election day, nullify your mail ballot, and vote. IINM that's how they answered the charge that early voting would create a disaster in just such a case as this one, with a potential felon being elected based on votes already cast prior to the crime.
              Apparently not in Montana
              Unfortunately, Montana does not allow those who voted early to reconsider and vote again. We're one of the few states that does not. This would seem to be the best reason we should urge our state leaders to change that law.
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              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                I think with early voting you can show up on election day, nullify your mail ballot, and vote. IINM that's how they answered the charge that early voting would create a disaster in just such a case as this one, with a potential felon being elected based on votes already cast prior to the crime.
                Or he'll be embraced by his constituents​ like Jesse Jackson Jr was.

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                • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Apparently not in Montana
                  Hmm. Not good. Assuming he was the front runner and that 70% of the vote has already been cast, you would need practically a sweep of the final 30% to offset any sort of lead.

                  I guess if MT has a recall they could just file the papers the day after the election.

                  No contrition by the thug, BTW. He's blaming it on the "liberal reporter." I love the implication that if he's a liberal it's OK to beat him up. Trump's America: the revenge of the jocks.
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                    Originally posted by aparch View Post
                    Or he'll be embraced by his constituents​ like Jesse Jackson Jr was.

                    Jackson Jr. was re-elected in 2012 in a landslide even though he was being investigated for using campaign funds for personal use. And then he and his wife were both found guilty after the election.
                    Heck, pols have been elected from jail. But this is a statewide election. I have to think the entire population of a state isn't that stupid. Right?

                    Right?
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                      Originally posted by aparch View Post
                      Or he'll be embraced by his constituents​ like Jesse Jackson Jr was.

                      Jackson Jr. was re-elected in 2012 in a landslide even though he was being investigated for using campaign funds for personal use. And then he and his wife were both found guilty after the election.
                      Good. Please win. Please.
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                      • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        Good. Please win. Please.
                        No thanks. This is the school of thought that it's good that Trump won because now everybody will see what nitwits the Republicans are.

                        How's that working out?
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                        • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          No thanks. This is the school of thought that it's good that Trump won because now everybody will see what nitwits the Republicans are.

                          How's that working out?
                          I agree it's not. But if he doesn't win the Republicans will skate away from this free as a bird. I want the anchor around their necks for a few more weeks. I would imagine they will recall him if he wins. And if they don't, even worse.
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                          • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Hmm. Not good. Assuming he was the front runner and that 70% of the vote has already been cast, you would need practically a sweep of the final 30% to offset any sort of lead.

                            I guess if MT has a recall they could just file the papers the day after the election.

                            No contrition by the thug, BTW. He's blaming it on the "liberal reporter." I love the implication that if he's a liberal it's OK to beat him up. Trump's America: the revenge of the jocks.
                            Why am I thinking the reporter was probably a lot smaller than him? Typical Republican in short.

                            From what I've read early voting might favor Quist slightly as Dems take advantage of that more but Republicans tend to clean up on election day with older voters turning out in greater #'s. I can't say if this will matter. It should, but as one GOP operative said, you have to frame this as a liberal media attack because turning out the base is the only strategy he's got.
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                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              as one GOP operative said, you have to frame this as a liberal media attack because turning out the base is the only strategy he's got.
                              I'm sure by tonight Fox and their serfs will be parroting that this was media, liberal media, maybe even (((liberal media))) trying to sabotage the moral fiber of America's backbone. Put some of the Stormfront types on it. They have a way with Dolchstoßlegende. Stay tuned for Flag's hot take (<-- be sure to gobble those Comments).
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                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                Hmm. Not good. Assuming he was the front runner and that 70% of the vote has already been cast, you would need practically a sweep of the final 30% to offset any sort of lead.
                                Not quite that bad, but close. Assuming that Gianforte had a 10% lead in early votes (I believe polls had shown him with about a 6-8% lead) and that 70% of the vote has already been cast (approximately 250,000), Quist would need to take approximately 62% of the final 30% of the vote to get the W.
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