Brown Women's hockey coaching problems

[IceIsNice]

My key point of reflection after having read all of the posts to date seems to revolve around what I would be thinking if I had another daughter in the pipeline who was considering Brown for both the purposes of continuing her hockey career and receiving an outstanding education.

My conclusion?

Jus' sayin'

If I had another daughter in the pipeline, and she had an interest in Brown, and Digit and her posse had a reciprocal interest, I'd be down with that.

I don't know what's going on behind closed doors, but this entire thread seems to strike me of whiney parenthood. Tell your kids, if you want something go earn it. And if someone getting paid money to make decisions happens to decide that you aren't good enough, then you aren't, at least at that organization. Deal with it, or move to another organization where you are valued.

Things are no different in the workplace.

[BIG RED]

As the saying goes, Caveat Emptor.

[Ralph Kramden]

Originally Posted by IceIsNice

My key point of reflection after having read all of the posts to date seems to revolve around what I would be thinking if I had another daughter in the pipeline who was considering Brown for both the purposes of continuing her hockey career and receiving an outstanding education.

My conclusion?

Jus' sayin'

If I had another daughter in the pipeline, and she had an interest in Brown, and Digit and her posse had a reciprocal interest, I'd be down with that.

I don't know what's going on behind closed doors, but this entire thread seems to strike me of whiney parenthood. Tell your kids, if you want something go earn it. And if someone getting paid money to make decisions happens to decide that you aren't good enough, then you aren't, at least at that organization. Deal with it, or move to another organization where you are valued.

Things are no different in the workplace.

HALLELUJAH!!

[ccookie79]

Originally Posted by Sweden

I find it a bit disturbing that there seems to be a hierarchy of credibility whether real or imagined permeating this forum. As it is anonymous, I don't feel anyone who posts here ( myself included ) is above reproach. This is a discussion forum and all participants are entitled to voice their opinion on the subject matter of the thread in question. Claiming one person has all(most) of the answers and that they should not be questioned does nothing to further any discussion. Not taking sides on this one, just throwing that out there.

Excellent post, Sweden....and based solely on common sense. I like it.

[eyecycle]

Originally Posted by Sweden

I find it a bit disturbing that there seems to be a hierarchy of credibility whether real or imagined permeating this forum. As it is anonymous, I don't feel anyone who posts here ( myself included ) is above reproach. This is a discussion forum and all participants are entitled to voice their opinion on the subject matter of the thread in question. Claiming one person has all(most) of the answers and that they should not be questioned does nothing to further any discussion. Not taking sides on this one, just throwing that out there.

Great post. It would be nice for newer posters to feel that they can express a concern or post a reply without being bashed repeatedly as whiny parents.

[notfromaroundhere]

Originally Posted by eyecycle

Great post. It would be nice for newer posters to feel that they can express a concern or post a reply without being bashed repeatedly as whiny parents.

There is a bit of a difference between expressing a concern about team turnover (easy to show) and calling for the coach's (and assistant) head while rumor mongering about alleged bullying (nobody has mentioned a player name making said allegation).

To me, this is nothing but the negativity that sucks a program into a black hole taking everyone (the coach intended and the players). I've seen it before at other levels. And yes it is usally whiny hockey parents who ultimately feed this stuff.

If the shoe fits...

[eyecycle]

Originally Posted by notfromaroundhere

There is a bit of a difference between expressing a concern about team turnover (easy to show) and calling for the coach's (and assistant) head while rumor mongering about alleged bullying (nobody has mentioned a player name making said allegation).

To me, this is nothing but the negativity that sucks a program into a black hole taking everyone (the coach intended and the players). I've seen it before at other levels. And yes it is usally whiny hockey parents who ultimately feed this stuff.

If the shoe fits...

I guess that's your opinion as you've stated previously. Sort of makes my point doesn't it? Note that my post didn't include any reference to what is (allegedly) going on at Brown.

[freak]

Originally Posted by Skate79

As far as Coach Murphy, her incessant yelling and complaining to the refs the past few years has become tiresome and boring.

She just seems angry at everything.

Two years ago UNH played at Brown, and as usual the Litterbox made the trip. Brown sells GA tix, and as is our custom, we chose to sit in the area above and behind the Brown goalie.

In the middle of the 3rd period, Digit complained to the arena staff about our heckling, which was VERY tame. Arena staff came over and threatened us, and then told me I had to "go sit in my seat" (What seat?.....it's GA).

Really? Is that really what Digit is worried about? Call me crazy, but I think her attention would have been better served trying to figure out a way to beat UNH, rather than trying to mess with a handful of opposing fans.

[Skate79]

An earlier poster mused as to whether or not Coach Murphy or the players read these threads. Several years ago there was a thread that focused on PC forward Rush Zimmerman and her conduct after a HE championship game. At one point, Rush joined in the conversation to explain her side of the story (on the thread, several posters were less than kind in their assessments of her conduct). Either someone alerted her or she was on the board and happened on the discussion.

I have zero inside knowledge of whether or not Brown players or coaches pay attention to this board. Knowing some of the Harvard kids and having some brief exchanges with Katey Stone, I tend to doubt that the coaches or the players pay much attention. But I can't confirm this. I don't know Digit Murphy but my guess is that this board is the least of her problems.

Players leave programs for a variety of reasons. We had three or four leave the Harvard program this year including one player who would have seen regular ice time. It happens. I think the Brown situation is unique however in terms of the numbers (assistant coaches at Ivies I would guess are not well paid) and I would be really curious to hear from someone in the Brown administration or department of athletics who has direct knowledge of the situation.

Unless of course they simply don't care which would be disheartening for the student athletes in the program.

[irishbridie49]

Last weekend's results were:
Brown 0 - Union 0 - in overtime
Brown 1 - Rensslaer 1 - in overtime

I know we're supposed to believe "winning isn't everything", but isn't it something because losing su*ks.

The redeeming part of both games was, by far, Goalie Katie Jamieson. Unfortunately, Brown seems to have gotten rid of the goal scorers and that's a shame because Katie's talent combined with last year's shooters could've been the team to beat this year. The recruiting process for Brown apparently fell short as the team doesn't really have anyone to put the puck in the net.

[5 4 Fighting]

Originally Posted by irishbridie49

Last weekend's results were:
Brown 0 - Union 0 - in overtime
Brown 1 - Rensslaer 1 - in overtime

I know we're supposed to believe "winning isn't everything", but isn't it something because losing su*ks.

The redeeming part of both games was, by far, Goalie Katie Jamieson. Unfortunately, Brown seems to have gotten rid of the goal scorers and that's a shame because Katie's talent combined with last year's shooters could've been the team to beat this year. The recruiting process for Brown apparently fell short as the team doesn't really have anyone to put the puck in the net.

Blah Ba Blah ba Blah.....

[Trillium]

Originally Posted by irishbridie49

Last weekend's results were:
Brown 0 - Union 0 - in overtime
Brown 1 - Rensslaer 1 - in overtime

I know we're supposed to believe "winning isn't everything", but isn't it something because losing su*ks.

The redeeming part of both games was, by far, Goalie Katie Jamieson. Unfortunately, Brown seems to have gotten rid of the goal scorers and that's a shame because Katie's talent combined with last year's shooters could've been the team to beat this year. The recruiting process for Brown apparently fell short as the team doesn't really have anyone to put the puck in the net.

So the team goes a weekend without a loss, and you find more reasons to start complaining again.

The recruiting fell short? Didn't they recruit Jamieson? How often does any rookie put up numbers right away that make her one of the top scorers or goalies in the country--much less on a team low in the standings?

Consider yourself fortunate to even have her. Recruiting a top scorer instead wouldn't have been worth very much if you have mediocre goaltending. You have to start somewhere enroute to becoming competitive again, and I'd say recruiting a premiere goalie is a pretty darn fine start...but apparently you'd much rather whine about the glass being half empty.

Maybe you should just invest in some extra shooting/ skating lessons for your own daughter instead of complaining about everyone else's inadequacies.

[Bergey1]

I agree with Trillium. When you rebuild, you usually start from the goalie. Jamieson had big shoes to fill, and she's exceeded expectations already.

[OnMAA]

Originally Posted by Trillium

So the team goes a weekend without a loss, and you find more reasons to start complaining again.

The recruiting fell short? Didn't they recruit Jamieson? How often does any rookie put up numbers right away that make her one of the top scorers or goalies in the country--much less on a team low in the standings?

Consider yourself fortunate to even have her. Recruiting a top scorer instead wouldn't have been worth very much if you have mediocre goaltending. You have to start somewhere enroute to becoming competitive again, and I'd say recruiting a premiere goalie is a pretty darn fine start...but apparently you'd much rather whine about the glass being half empty.

Maybe you should just invest in some extra shooting/ skating lessons for your own daughter instead of complaining about everyone else's inadequacies.

As they say in the House on the Hill in Ottawa...Hear Hear...Well Put.

[winsorhockeydad]

Originally Posted by Skate79

An earlier poster mused as to whether or not Coach Murphy or the players read these threads. Several years ago there was a thread that focused on PC forward Rush Zimmerman and her conduct after a HE championship game. At one point, Rush joined in the conversation to explain her side of the story (on the thread, several posters were less than kind in their assessments of her conduct). Either someone alerted her or she was on the board and happened on the discussion.

While that thread was ongoing, Ms Zimmerman was a counselor at the Dartmouth summer program, which my daughter attended. On visiting day I noticed some good qualities about Ms Zimmerman and her interaction with the kids and shared them on the thread. Based on my screen name, Ms Zimmerman located my daughter and mentioned the post.

During my daughter's years when playing D-3, she said she and her team mates often visited this forum.

[ARM]

After successful avoidance, like a silly moth, drawn to a flame...

Originally Posted by irishbridie49

It's a shame that when you try to express those feelings in a public forum you get lambasted.

When you express opinions in a public forum, you open yourself to dissenting opinions. The only targets of "lambastation" (yeah, I doubt that is really a word ) here seem to be Coach Murphy and Brown hockey. Oh, and maybe Hux, but I'll doubt he'll care as long as he is well fed.

Originally Posted by RStarr

Again, I don’t think there is much more to this story than the fact that Brown is simply uncommitted to the women’s hockey program and probably only keeps it around for title purposes.

Is that true? I have no way of knowing. One thing that has changed outside the Brown universe since their glory days is a rise of a number of programs that are committed to women's hockey. When Brown was a power, Murphy wasn't having to compete with programs like BU, BC (yeah, they were around, but not really committed), Clarkson, and RPI. Cornell has become a player -- wonder why? Assuming Coach Murphy is doing as poorly as her detractors say she is, would another coach be able to thrive at Brown with the same resources?

Originally Posted by ccookie79

Ordinarily I would agree but when there's a dictator in control, questioning authority is a suicidal act....just sayin'

My understanding of D-I athletics is that the role of parents is to support their children and pay bills as necessary. I don't believe that the parents are expected to have a say in how programs are run, any more than if they showed up in Chemistry class and objected that they don't like how the professor is teaching the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle or the grade given for the latest pop quiz. Even at the most successful of programs, there are players and their parents that are unhappy with a young lady's role and how the coach is performing. It goes with the territory.

Originally Posted by notfromaroundhere

Let me ask you all this? How much research did you all do on Digit BEFORE your daughters matriculated?

That's the key point. If parents have a key role, it is primarily before their daughters commit to an institution. Brown's decline in results hasn't been a secret.

Originally Posted by eyecycle

It would be nice for newer posters to feel that they can express a concern or post a reply without being bashed repeatedly as whiny parents.

And it would also be nice if new posters recognized that every poster on this site is an individual. If you draw criticism from some, don't be so quick to stereotype and claim that there is some conspiracy to deny free speech. If your point is important to you, defend it as eloquently as you can and you might influence the silent majority that is the typical reader of this forum. Claim that everyone is picking on you, and most will give your posts half a glance. A lot more people read here than post, and they are also part of this community.

[Hockey Fan101]

I think that bad coaching is a global problem.