MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

[bunt_q]

Oh I didn't say Travel expenses will go up... you assumed that. I just said expenses in general. You really should read quotes before you comment on them..

I don't think it's a question of reading comprehension. If you weren't talking about travel expenses... what "expenses in general" would go up with a conference switch? I admit, I don't know how much member schools pay to the WCHA and what that includes (officials, some staff, a little marketing?). I, for one, would be okay with the NCHC canning (or declining to pick up) every official on the WCHA payroll and hiring new. Hell, hire some soccer guys, put them in learn-to-skate, and teach them hockey, it couldn't be much worse. I see cost savings there. If travel is a wash... what's left?

[cross cheque]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Yeah, it puckered up your dad's ******* pretty quickly. Apparently he thinks I'll be getting frisky tonight.

I'll tell him to take an extra cialis and to fill your water dish to the brim.

[Rich]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

So much for the Michigan Tech won't be able to practice in Colorado Springs BS, just confirmed they are practicing in Colorado Springs at one of the practice rinks at World Arena, have to walk past an empty world arena to get to the practice sheet...wonderful...

You seem to be having trouble with the facts. First, as JSTigers correctly posted CC practices at the Ice Hall as well. Second, as has already been posted here as well CC doesn't control ice time there. My understanding is that CC has reserved ice times for visiting teams for the required days prior to a series. They don't reserve ice time on the practice rinks at the Ice Hall just in case a team wants to come into town early or stay like MTU did. If a team decides to come in early or stay, CC doesn't have any say over the CSWA Ice Hall's ice time, nor do they have control over the CSWA's main sheet. This is not CC's problem or fault - it's clearly and obviously an issue that MTU needed to and did take care of. To imply otherwise is either lying or being unaware of the truth.

[Rich]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

I don't think it's a question of reading comprehension. If you weren't talking about travel expenses... what "expenses in general" would go up with a conference switch? I admit, I don't know how much member schools pay to the WCHA and what that includes (officials, some staff, a little marketing?). I, for one, would be okay with the NCHC canning (or declining to pick up) every official on the WCHA payroll and hiring new. Hell, hire some soccer guys, put them in learn-to-skate, and teach them hockey, it couldn't be much worse. I see cost savings there. If travel is a wash... what's left?

On this one I think maurespreader is actually correct. The "like minded" phrase that has so often been quoted refers to the amount of money teams are willing to promise to invest in their programs and the league. The "like minded" programs consistently voted in a block to increase spending to get TV contracts, improve and maintain facilities, improve pay for officials, and pay for the league to promote itself along with many other things in order to make it appear to recruits to be the unquestionable top league in college hockey. The other schools voted against those proposals due to budget concerns, and this had been going on for many years. The teams that voted in a block for the additional spending had been studying leaving the WCHA for years, and actually had a lot of the market research and investigation already completed and on the shelf. With the departure of the Big 10 schools, those team re-examined the idea of breaking away in light of the departure of some of the big name schools and felt that an idea that didn't make sense with those teams in the mix became not only viable but in their minds unavoidable. Part of the reason that the NCHC stuff happened so quickly is that a lot of the planning had been done over the previous few years.
So yes, I do expect expenses to rise for the NCHC programs. The hope is that will pay off in the long run by becoming the top league in the NCAAs. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen, of course.

[dggoddard]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

I don't think it's a question of reading comprehension. If you weren't talking about travel expenses... what "expenses in general" would go up with a conference switch? I admit, I don't know how much member schools pay to the WCHA and what that includes (officials, some staff, a little marketing?). I, for one, would be okay with the NCHC canning (or declining to pick up) every official on the WCHA payroll and hiring new. Hell, hire some soccer guys, put them in learn-to-skate, and teach them hockey, it couldn't be much worse. I see cost savings there. If travel is a wash... what's left?

WCHA referee travel & salaries [$300-400 per ref per weekend] plus the league's office & administration is paid for out of the profits of the WCHA playoffs and Final 5. Then each WCHA school gets a check for the remainder of the money [around $90,000].

Good hockey referees are very scarce in the US. Especially when they only make a couple of hundred bucks per game. Anyone who thinks that the refereeing will improve in 2013 in the NCHC or the WCHA is in for a rude surprise.

[ronmexico]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Anyone who thinks that the refereeing will improve in 2013 in the NCHC or the WCHA is in for a rude surprise.

Like the time you "accidentally" propositioned that tranny on Colfax?

[darker98]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Living in CCHA country, I have always rooted for the WCHA over anyone local due to my preference for the WCHA and the program I grew up with /alma mater.

In order, these were my favorite teams and the order of how I rooted for the WCHA.

MTU
CC
UAA
Wisconsin
UMD
UND
Minnesota
Bemidji State
Minnesota State
UNO
St Cloud
DU

Minnesota is too high and UND is too low.

[bunt_q]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

On this one I think maurespreader is actually correct. The "like minded" phrase that has so often been quoted refers to the amount of money teams are willing to promise to invest in their programs and the league. The "like minded" programs consistently voted in a block to increase spending to get TV contracts, improve and maintain facilities, improve pay for officials, and pay for the league to promote itself along with many other things in order to make it appear to recruits to be the unquestionable top league in college hockey. The other schools voted against those proposals due to budget concerns, and this had been going on for many years. The teams that voted in a block for the additional spending had been studying leaving the WCHA for years, and actually had a lot of the market research and investigation already completed and on the shelf. With the departure of the Big 10 schools, those team re-examined the idea of breaking away in light of the departure of some of the big name schools and felt that an idea that didn't make sense with those teams in the mix became not only viable but in their minds unavoidable. Part of the reason that the NCHC stuff happened so quickly is that a lot of the planning had been done over the previous few years.
So yes, I do expect expenses to rise for the NCHC programs. The hope is that will pay off in the long run by becoming the top league in the NCAAs. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen, of course.

Oh okay, that makes sense. I didn't know the history on some WCHA teams voting against additional spending ("investment" in Washington, DC terms).

Although, if one of the motivations for forming a new conference is so that you'll be allowed to spend more, it seems an odd critique of the new conference (presumably by supporters of the teams who were voting against the higher spending levels in the current conference in the first place) that it'll lead to higher expenses. It sounds like you're saying that was partially the goal. So I suppose the correct response to "your expenses will go up and you'll regret it" should be, "**** right they will, and fingers crossed that it's worth it."

[bunt_q]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Like the time you "accidentally" propositioned that tranny on Colfax?

Where are the trannys (trannies?) on Colfax these days, anyways? It seems like Colfax is going all yuppy faux-hipster upscale, full of DU types (geeks) who drink and whatnot.

[Biddco]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

On this one I think maurespreader is actually correct. The "like minded" phrase that has so often been quoted refers to the amount of money teams are willing to promise to invest in their programs and the league. The "like minded" programs consistently voted in a block to increase spending to get TV contracts, improve and maintain facilities, improve pay for officials, and pay for the league to promote itself along with many other things in order to make it appear to recruits to be the unquestionable top league in college hockey. The other schools voted against those proposals due to budget concerns, and this had been going on for many years. The teams that voted in a block for the additional spending had been studying leaving the WCHA for years, and actually had a lot of the market research and investigation already completed and on the shelf. With the departure of the Big 10 schools, those team re-examined the idea of breaking away in light of the departure of some of the big name schools and felt that an idea that didn't make sense with those teams in the mix became not only viable but in their minds unavoidable. Part of the reason that the NCHC stuff happened so quickly is that a lot of the planning had been done over the previous few years.
So yes, I do expect expenses to rise for the NCHC programs. The hope is that will pay off in the long run by becoming the top league in the NCAAs. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen, of course.

When questioning why the NCHC formed. People need to read this post.

[huskyfan]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

When questioning why the NCHC formed. People need to read this post.

the only trouble with this post ... its not true.

[JW Tigers]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Oh I didn't say Travel expenses will go up... you assumed that. I just said expenses in general. You really should read quotes before you comment on them. I understand attendance is not a problem for you, even though there was some discussion early about the lack of attendance, and as far as DU, there is a lot of discussion about why their rink is not full.
Personally, if Tech never plays CC again, it's fine with me. I will miss the fans, I met several last year in Houghton, and they were quite nice.

Ok, I misinterpreted your statement to be about travel expenses. It happens. Sorry. That was the primary expense that came to mind for me. But if you want to play that game, maybe you should read your own quotes as well. You did say:

For those of you cc fans who think Tech is the cause of your attendance problems, that's what DU said last year. They were mad that when Tech was there, there were a few unsold seats. Now that Tech has not played in denver all year and they still have attendance problems, suddenly they are looking at other possible reasons. Letters to the editor in the student paper, etc. In fact, this perceived attendance issue is one of the reasons for the bhhc.

So which is it...do we have a attendance problems at CC and DU or not? One minute is is an attendance problem, then it's a perceived attendance problem, then you say you understand attendance is not a problem, at least for CC. While you may be correct that DU would like to increase attendance, it is by no means a "problem" for them either.

[bunt_q]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

the only trouble with this post ... its not true.

Which parts? Or how so? It sounded credible enough.

[mtu_huskies]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

The hope is that will pay off in the long run by becoming the top league in the NCAAs.

I'm not sure what this gets the NCHC teams if it even could possibly be true. This is a niche sport, I dont see a mass of attendance numbers because Western and Miami are in the confrence now instead of a few teams. And the great conference tournament, the final five, is dead. Wherever the NCHC tourney is, the schools are so spread out, the postseason ticket sales will not match the final five. The NCHC will not surpass the Big Ten and maybe not hockey east. So like I said, what does becoming the top leage in teh NCAAs buy them, if they could even become that.

[Biddco]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

the only trouble with this post ... its not true.

Or is it?