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  • Re: Time for a change at UVM

    Originally posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    "YES" on the money side...the Vermont Assistant Coaches make more then Lewis($45 grand @ Maine)...plus concerns that the University is not putting there best foot forward in pay/equipment....while granted UVM is new...they have come out and put the word out they they are very serious in their Program,sadly at Maine Lewis has a done a great job...and the AD wants her to stay but he had granted that she can talk to UVM because of her hard work....it would be a big lost at Maine and put the Program backwards mode.
    Let's hope that Maine isn't the next Niagra/Wayne State. http://bangordailynews.com/2012/04/1...ns-hockey-job/
    Last edited by SlewFoot; 04-16-2012, 09:25 AM.

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    • Re: Time for a change at UVM

      Wow, that article makes it sound like Maine's program is on shaky ground. Surprised that the local paper would cast the University in such negative way ... altho good to tell the truth.... but gotta hurt recruiting.

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      • Originally posted by NPEfan View Post
        Wow, that article makes it sound like Maine's program is on shaky ground. Surprised that the local paper would cast the University in such negative way ... altho good to tell the truth.... but gotta hurt recruiting.
        That's a great article expressing commitment needed by the University. I wish someone had information to have written a piece on Niagara like that before its demise. At least the Alumni and Community or now aware. I certainly hope this doesn't happen to Maine!

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        • Re: Time for a change at UVM

          It's no secret to anyone that follows the program that Maine is on the ultimate shoe-string budget. They were one of the last schools to get a 2nd full-time assistant, and to this day probably pay all of three of their coaches the lowest salary among their peers in the entire sport...low enough that as I said before most if not all head coaches in Hockey East make more than all 3 Maine coaches combined. For a couple seasons they were able to take a single flying trip a year but they have not done so over the last two seasons...combine that with the fact they actually cancelled a trip out west at the 11th hour of Lewis' first year shows that the admin has probably told them they can't take those trips anymore.

          Certainly easy to understand why they are having trouble filling their schedule.

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          • Re: Time for a change at UVM

            Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
            For a couple seasons they were able to take a single flying trip a year but they have not done so over the last two seasons...combine that with the fact they actually cancelled a trip out west at the 11th hour of Lewis' first year shows that the admin has probably told them they can't take those trips anymore.
            That wasn't a school decision. Lewis cancelled the trip so the program could use that travel expense towards upgrades for the program right off the bat.

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            • Re: Time for a change at UVM

              Originally posted by Hux View Post
              That wasn't a school decision. Lewis cancelled the trip so the program could use that travel expense towards upgrades for the program right off the bat.
              Regardless, that is the point. That's not a choice the coach of a D1 hockey program should have to make.

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              • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
                Regardless, that is the point. That's not a choice the coach of a D1 hockey program should have to make.
                Okay so we know that the Maine Coach is in the running....do we know any of the others and how many there are???

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                • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                  Got to imagine Kimball is in the mix somewhere.

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                  • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                    Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
                    Regardless, that is the point. That's not a choice the coach of a D1 hockey program should have to make.
                    I would think that all D1 coaches are required to manage within a budget, and to also help with fundraising for the sport. I'm convinced this is not unique to Maine.

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                    • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                      Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
                      Got to imagine Kimball is in the mix somewhere.
                      The interesting connection there is that both were at UND in the recent past. Don't recall if it was at the same time.

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                      • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                        Seriously? You're telling me a coach at a D1 institution should have to choose between being able to take ONE big road trip a year more than 5 hours from campus and being able to recruit or buy more/better equipment?

                        Yes there are limits and everyone has a "budget" to work within, (ok maybe not everyone), but this is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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                        • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                          Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
                          Seriously? You're telling me a coach at a D1 institution should have to choose between being able to take ONE big road trip a year more than 5 hours from campus and being able to recruit or buy more/better equipment?

                          Yes there are limits and everyone has a "budget" to work within, (ok maybe not everyone), but this is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
                          Why is it scraping the bottom of the barrel?......If you had to choose between between giving out an extra 10G's to land an extra recruit, vs taking a plane trip out west with your team, vs getting more/proper equipment for your team, which would you choose?

                          Unless you live in a world of unlimited resources, budget tradeoffs have to be made all the time, whether it be a lower profile D1 sport or some real business world scenario. During downturns in an economy it is not uncommon to have to choose between laying off more people vs less capital expenditures vs less travel for all vs some other sacrifice.

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                          • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                            Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
                            Seriously? You're telling me a coach at a D1 institution should have to choose between being able to take ONE big road trip a year more than 5 hours from campus and being able to recruit or buy more/better equipment?

                            Yes there are limits and everyone has a "budget" to work within, (ok maybe not everyone), but this is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
                            It's Maine, not Wisconsin with oooodles of money flowing in from a stadium full of football/hoop fans and related TV contracts. State universities in this neck of the woods have felt severe cutbacks overall, and a good portion is cut out of athletic budgets.

                            Additionally, at the time of her hire, a new athletic director was starting as well and the budget for the 2010-11 season had already been established. The new AD brought a new attitude to the athletic department that resulted in greater support for the women's program going forward. As I understand it, there were a number of changes instituted immediately, and others that have been phased in.

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                            • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                              Originally posted by Hux View Post
                              It's Maine, not Wisconsin with oooodles of money flowing in from a stadium full of football/hoop fans and related TV contracts. State universities in this neck of the woods have felt severe cutbacks overall, and a good portion is cut out of athletic budgets.

                              Additionally, at the time of her hire, a new athletic director was starting as well and the budget for the 2010-11 season had already been established. The new AD brought a new attitude to the athletic department that resulted in greater support for the women's program going forward. As I understand it, there were a number of changes instituted immediately, and others that have been phased in.
                              A number of changes instituted immediately...because they had 1 full time assistant (not sure if this was at Lewis' request too or not?) and scrapped their trip out west and were able to use that extra money to support other initiatives. But again, that is the point. That is not really "increased support" for the program that is just a shuffling of the resources. That program needs to have 2 full time assistants, needs to be able to travel to fill their schedule, and needs to be able to purchase good equipment and have enough money to recruit. Lewis says as much in the article. Vermont doesn't have a bigtime football or hoops program either but they are able to find the funds to, in her mind, adequately support a successful program in the future. If UVM can do it...if UNH can do it...if Northeastern can do it...why can't Maine?

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                              • Re: Time for a change at UVM

                                Ha...Maine is probably lucky from what I hear to have more than 10k in their entire recruiting budget as it is so I doubt that they will be spending an extra 10k to land a single recruit anytime soon. Regardless, that isn't the point. Or maybe it is. This program is so unbelievably under-funded that it is sickening and the fact that they continue to take away from and restrict their ability to provide the basic needs of their program is pathetic and they may well lose a very good coach because of it. Other programs of a similar stature...UNH, UVM among others...have found the ability to invest in their programs without having great state funding or other big-time athletics programs to support their non-revenue sports. You don't hear about those guys not being able to fill their schedules because they don't have money to travel. You don't hear about those guys not being able to provide the best equipment. You don't hear about those guys having to choose between recruiting and playing games. You don't hear about their entire staff making less than the head coaches of other programs, you don't hear about their assistant coaches making $24,000 a year (seem to remember that number being mentioned on here a couple seasons back before Lewis was hired). They've taken, and taken, and taken, and taken from the Maine program to the point that there is nothing left to take. They need to provide something that resembles a reasonable amount of support for their program and stop forcing their coaches to make impossible decisions about what ELSE to cut out of their program that other competing programs are providing to their athletes. Or else you get this...Maine finally experiences some success and no sooner than that happens they could once again be faced with tons of uncertainty. The next first-time head coach they have to hire may not have the same success Lewis has had and all of this progress could be gone just as soon as it got here.

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