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  • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

    Originally posted by jnacc View Post
    Let's please not make this about Frank vs Jim or anything like that because of some goof bag like Truth.....just ignore him, he's a petty, immature and jealous person who's simply trying to snag in company in order to share his misery....enough of him and lets look forward to the rest of the season and enjoy the fact that the Lakers are in the hunt this year!!
    Here here!
    Go Lakers!

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    • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

      Originally posted by backbencher View Post
      How unfair, but that's life :-)

      Okay, so today you blame the others sports' for the poor assistance because they don't promote hockey enough.


      In order to fully and properly promote hockey -- the hockey must take a front seat ... and they definitely have far more means to do it.
      Are you saying that if hockey can't run fast enough, the others should slow down and pull them ?

      Seriously, the limited resentment by the basketball teams against the hockey team is the same as all other athletes and is just understandable. The relationship is excellent on an individual level, so if someone is to be blamed, don't look outside the hockey program.

      Really ? What do you think is wrong with them ? Actually, I even saw some giving a hand for an event with another team.

      Thanks to the hockey specialists on this forum, I now know that coaching hockey in the soo area is very unlike other sports, don't tell me promoting hockey is again something different ... all my references are falling apart.

      The AD, the basketball people and the players should take care of promoting the team ?
      Despite being the staunch fanbase of the person in charge of the hockey program, none of you is offering to do it :-)

      To quote the Bard: Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

      Seems as though the ear hath been twisted, and being so twisted the pig doth squeal?

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      • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

        Originally posted by Lakerblue View Post
        To quote the Bard: Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
        Seems as though the ear hath been twisted, and being so twisted the pig doth squeal?
        Not bad (actually : "The lady doth protest too much, methinks")
        Do you mean something is rotten at Lake Superior State ?
        Sorry I could't help it (I hope you get it)
        Last edited by backbencher; 02-14-2012, 07:18 AM.

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        • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

          Did anyone hear the Laker Hockey Show this evening? If so, what things were discussed?

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          • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

            Originally posted by backbencher View Post
            Not bad (actually : "The lady doth protest too much, methinks")
            Do you mean something is rotten at Lake Superior State ?
            Sorry I could't help it (I hope you get it)
            Is something rotten at LSSU? haha -- Elsinore State?

            I should qualify my remarks -- I really like AD Dunbar, and I think she really wants whats best for LSSU. That means all programs. This can be as irritating to the hcokey-first-last-and-only crowd as it is, conversely, to the other sports when they are left out in the cold. I get that. Any attention paid to other programs, or perceived attention not being paid in adequate quantities to the hockey program, can get people flustered (people = me). In retrospect, I am probably just as biased in favor of the hockey program as I accuse others of being against the hockey program. And I don't mind being called out when I blather BS, and I should know better.

            And for the record I regulary attend the basketball games, despite the fact that I personally consider it a crappy sport and mind-numbingly dull to watch -- I want to see LSSU do well and I am a sucker for sporting events.

            Now I don't know why the AD doesn't do more. Maybe she is? I don't know why student groups don't do more. Maybe they do? I can affirm that for many years, the basketball program's leaders have been oft frustrated with the love, attention, and money lavished on the hockey program -- and more than a few times have commented thoughts to the effect: LSSU is the only school where basketball is an afterthought. (Now, obviously, I am always quick to point out places like North Dakota, Duluth, Ferris, etc . . . wherein basketball is also an afterthought, and this is not a strange isolated LSSU situation).

            None of this changes the fact that I would like to see a packed house for this weekend's series.

            And for those who miss this weekend's series . . . I once again quote the Bard, sort of . . .


            And gentlemen . . . .now a-bed
            Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
            And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
            That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

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            • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

              Originally posted by Lakerblue View Post
              Is something rotten at LSSU? haha -- Elsinore State?

              I should qualify my remarks -- I really like AD Dunbar, and I think she really wants whats best for LSSU. That means all programs. This can be as irritating to the hcokey-first-last-and-only crowd as it is, conversely, to the other sports when they are left out in the cold. I get that. Any attention paid to other programs, or perceived attention not being paid in adequate quantities to the hockey program, can get people flustered (people = me). In retrospect, I am probably just as biased in favor of the hockey program as I accuse others of being against the hockey program. And I don't mind being called out when I blather BS, and I should know better.

              And for the record I regulary attend the basketball games, despite the fact that I personally consider it a crappy sport and mind-numbingly dull to watch -- I want to see LSSU do well and I am a sucker for sporting events.

              Now I don't know why the AD doesn't do more. Maybe she is? I don't know why student groups don't do more. Maybe they do? I can affirm that for many years, the basketball program's leaders have been oft frustrated with the love, attention, and money lavished on the hockey program -- and more than a few times have commented thoughts to the effect: LSSU is the only school where basketball is an afterthought. (Now, obviously, I am always quick to point out places like North Dakota, Duluth, Ferris, etc . . . wherein basketball is also an afterthought, and this is not a strange isolated LSSU situation).

              None of this changes the fact that I would like to see a packed house for this weekend's series.

              And for those who miss this weekend's series . . . I once again quote the Bard, sort of . . .


              And gentlemen . . . .now a-bed
              Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
              And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
              That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
              I don't get up to the Soo often enough to have a very thorough picture of what the local sentiments are towards the job that AD Dunbar is doing or whether her basketball background (which I'm well aware of) perhaps makes her focus on that sport more so than hockey. You don't seem to have any issue with Kris Dunbar other than not promoting hockey enough to try and fill more seats. Aside from promotional efforts, the other way to fill more seats is to produce winning teams on a regular basis. I'm curious, do you think Dunbar has given Jim Roque a longer lease (albeit incrementally) on the coaching job than a more hockey oriented AD would have done?

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                Power ratings are nuts if they have Northern at 10th and Lakers at 20th.

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                  Originally posted by Truth Squad
                  Someone that actually makes some sense on here besides me. It is now the basketball people at your little college to blame for the crowds at the Norris Center this season usually around 1700 and last year around 300 actual people in the stands for a playoff game on National television?

                  You people up there will stop at nothing to promote this administration and put the blame on ANYONE else but where the true problems lie.

                  The Truth Is Out There....
                  TBA
                  You Make Sense? Really???? Ranting about poor Nikki Poo and Frank the Tank.

                  Average Attendace about 2500 this year... those playoff games had 1200 no 300 though I will agree with you that is bad it's not 300....

                  You are right the issue is with cry baby parents that can't get it through thier thick skulls that their bouncing baby boy got an education (on scholarship), and was not cut out to play D1 college hockey. The other issue is those fans that are stuck in 1985 .... The college game has PASSED FRANK BY... He can not relate to college athletes anymore.... He is gone... Nik is gone... You need to be gone... Time to move on... Look I will make you a deal... I will pay the subscription fee for you for one year of the playboy channel .... You can spend your nights taking your mis-guided aggression out on your peepee.... Maybe that will help you feel better... Run one off by hand and then come talk to us...

                  The Tooth is out there....

                  TNA
                  TNA
                  THE TOOTH WILL SET YOU FREE
                  TNA
                  TNA

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                  • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

                    Originally posted by Bill View Post
                    I don't get up to the Soo often enough to have a very thorough picture of what the local sentiments are towards the job that AD Dunbar is doing or whether her basketball background (which I'm well aware of) perhaps makes her focus on that sport more so than hockey. You don't seem to have any issue with Kris Dunbar other than not promoting hockey enough to try and fill more seats. Aside from promotional efforts, the other way to fill more seats is to produce winning teams on a regular basis. I'm curious, do you think Dunbar has given Jim Roque a longer lease (albeit incrementally) on the coaching job than a more hockey oriented AD would have done?
                    RE: Roque and AD Dunbar . . . good question. I don't have an answer. Like I said, Dunbar wants whats best for LSSU. My first blush thoughts are perhaps opposite of what you might think. I tend to think Roque would be on a shorter leash with a non-hockey AD -- because the non-hockey AD is free to look only at results: Wins, Losses, attendance, grade point averages. A hockey-immersed AD might have a quicker trigger because he/she might think they know better than the coach vis-a-vis lineup choices, strategy choices, recruiting choices, practice choices, etc . . . .

                    The non-hockey trained AD would tend to defer to the coach on all those matters, and instead focus on the bottom line.

                    And based on the contracts and relationship, it appears Dunbar is satisfied, if not 100% pleased, with Roque's work over the past two years.

                    The team is winning, its well behaved, and it represents the University in a good light on the road and in the community.

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                    • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

                      100-122-4 >> 32-90-20 and talking about 25 years ago.

                      And you're deleting posts again.
                      Last edited by Hammer; 02-14-2012, 09:27 PM. Reason: couldn't forget those precious 20 ties for the crazy midget
                      FERRIS STATE UNIVERSITY: 2012 FROZEN FOUR


                      God, that was fun...

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                      • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

                        Originally posted by Lakerblue View Post
                        RE: Roque and AD Dunbar . . . good question. I don't have an answer. Like I said, Dunbar wants whats best for LSSU. My first blush thoughts are perhaps opposite of what you might think. I tend to think Roque would be on a shorter leash with a non-hockey AD -- because the non-hockey AD is free to look only at results: Wins, Losses, attendance, grade point averages. A hockey-immersed AD might have a quicker trigger because he/she might think they know better than the coach vis-a-vis lineup choices, strategy choices, recruiting choices, practice choices, etc . . . .

                        The non-hockey trained AD would tend to defer to the coach on all those matters, and instead focus on the bottom line.

                        And based on the contracts and relationship, it appears Dunbar is satisfied, if not 100% pleased, with Roque's work over the past two years.

                        The team is winning, its well behaved, and it represents the University in a good light on the road and in the community.
                        Perhaps it was my choice of words (lease vs leash), but if I understand you correctly, I think we're both saying a hockey oriented AD might be inclined to cut Roque loose more quickly based upon team performance than a non-hockey oriented AD like Dunbar. Or maybe we're not saying the same thing. I'm a bit confused by your post. In one sentence you say you think a non-hockey AD would have him on a shorter leash, and the next sentence you say you think a hockey AD would have a quicker trigger. Isn't Roque on only a one year contract extension? He may be unhappy about that, which may have contributed to his applying for the Clarkson job last Summer. Assuming it is a one year contract, I wonder if there are any performance goals in it that the team needs to meet (e.g. Get to the Joe and/or the NCAA tournament) in order for Roque to keep his job?

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                          Anzalone:
                          01-02: 8-27-2 (.243)
                          02-03: 6-28-4 (.211)
                          03-04: 9-20-7 (.347)
                          04-05: 9-22-7 (.329)


                          Originally posted by Truth Squad
                          100-122-44 in almost seven seasons under the current administration with no finishes in the top half of the standings. You sure know how to pick a winner Coach Lakerblue. You people are getting more rediculous every day.

                          The Truth Is Out There....
                          TBA

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                          • Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

                            Originally posted by Bill View Post
                            Perhaps it was my choice of words (lease vs leash), but if I understand you correctly, I think we're both saying a hockey oriented AD might be inclined to cut Roque loose more quickly based upon team performance than a non-hockey oriented AD like Dunbar. Or maybe we're not saying the same thing. I'm a bit confused by your post. In one sentence you say you think a non-hockey AD would have him on a shorter leash, and the next sentence you say you think a hockey AD would have a quicker trigger. Isn't Roque on only a one year contract extension? He may be unhappy about that, which may have contributed to his applying for the Clarkson job last Summer. Assuming it is a one year contract, I wonder if there are any performance goals in it that the team needs to meet (e.g. Get to the Joe and/or the NCAA tournament) in order for Roque to keep his job?
                            Bill, I think we are saying the same thing. Maybe. Dunbar is looking at the bottom line, so Roque keeps getting contract extensions -- but short extensions because, lets be honest, although the team is improving we still haven't graced the ice at the Joe in many years, and haven't sniffed an NCAA birth. So the team is improving, winning a few more games, and the team is well behaved and well respected. He gets a small contract instead of a 6-7 year deal. (Also, not to be overlooked: Let's assume Dunbar is very, very pleased with the Coach and wants him to stay long-term. Dunbar (and everyone) knows that LSSU is not a wealthy school, and therefore it is unlikely that anyone in a results-orientated position is going to get a long contract, because the school would not be in a position to buy out that contract).

                            A hockey person, conversely, might well have fired Roque two years ago. There were times in Roques first half of his tenure when the team's talent level was quite low, and the team's on ice-performances were horrible -- actually worse than horrible -- they were games and game-plans that were boring and meaningless. Lots and lots of boring and meaningless games where the players seem to just chop up and down the ice with little plan (or little hope of executing the plan). And before last season, I thought it was a good chance Roque would not be brought back. If a hockey-based AD was watching the same team on the ice as myself -- I fully expected a change.

                            I was watching bad hockey being played by overmatched players. Roque recruited many of those guys, and coached them, and put together the game plan. Anyone with a decent level of hockey knowledge was unimpressed. I think a hockey-based-AD would've pulled the plug and brought in a new coach before the start of last season. Dunbar, however, believed the team was improving, and stuck with her Coach.

                            The results of Dunbar's support: In the past two years Roque has rewarded the University, so far, with a significant uptick in talent, and solid game-plans executed in front of good goaltending. So now my opinion is that both the non-hockey-based AD and the hockey-based personnel should all be relatively pleased with the direction of the program.

                            But let me say this -- it can all fall apart in nine days if the Lakers fall flat against Western and Northern. They can easily end up in 9th place, despite the thrills of this season.

                            Then we have a funny turn around: My hockey mind tells me you keep the coach because the on-ice product is good. The non-hockey mind says: Another 9th place finish, another no-show-at-theJoe. And then what happens?
                            Last edited by Lakerblue; 02-15-2012, 09:18 AM.

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                              Originally posted by Lakerblue View Post
                              Bill, I think we are saying the same thing. Maybe. Dunbar is looking at the bottom line, so Roque keeps getting contract extensions -- but short extensions because, lets be honest, although the team is improving we still haven't graced the ice at the Joe in many years, and haven't sniffed an NCAA birth. So the team is improving, winning a few more games, and the team is well behaved and well respected. He gets a small contract instead of a 6-7 year deal. (Also, not to be overlooked: Let's assume Dunbar is very, very pleased with the Coach and wants him to stay long-term. Dunbar (and everyone) knows that LSSU is not a wealthy school, and therefore it is unlikely that anyone in a results-orientated position is going to get a long contract, because the school would not be in a position to buy out that contract).

                              A hockey person, conversely, might well have fired Roque two years ago. There were times in Roques first half of his tenure when the team's talent level was quite low, and the team's on ice-performances were horrible -- actually worse than horrible -- they were games and game-plans that were boring and meaningless. Lots and lots of boring and meaningless games where the players seem to just chop up and down the ice with little plan (or little hope of executing the plan). And before last season, I thought it was a good chance Roque would not be brought back. If a hockey-based AD was watching the same team on the ice as myself -- I fully expected a change.

                              I was watching bad hockey being played by overmatched players. Roque recruited many of those guys, and coached them, and put together the game plan. Anyone with a decent level of hockey knowledge was unimpressed. I think a hockey-based-AD would've pulled the plug and brought in a new coach before the start of last season. Dunbar, however, believed the team was improving, and stuck with her Coach.

                              The results of Dunbar's support: In the past two years Roque has rewarded the University, so far, with a significant uptick in talent, and solid game-plans executed in front of good goaltending. So now my opinion is that both the non-hockey-based AD and the hockey-based personnel should all be relatively pleased with the direction of the program.

                              But let me say this -- it can all fall apart in nine days if the Lakers fall flat against Western and Northern. They can easily end up in 9th place, despite the thrills of this season.

                              Then we have a funny turn around: My hockey mind tells me you keep the coach because the on-ice product is good. The non-hockey mind says: Another 9th place finish, another no-show-at-theJoe. And then what happens?
                              I agree the on ice product is better this season, but I wonder how long you stick with the coach when we're not getting to the Joe nor are we making any NCAA appearances. I don't have any illusions about it being the way it used to be from the mid 80s to mid 90s, but there should be some measure of performance for a coach. Is an occasional .500 (or slightly better) season enough? It might be better to wait until the end of the season and revisit this subject. The standings are so close and there is so much parity in the CCHA this season that a lot can change over the next few weeks.

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                                Originally posted by Bill View Post
                                I agree the on ice product is better this season, but I wonder how long you stick with the coach when we're not getting to the Joe nor are we making any NCAA appearances. I don't have any illusions about it being the way it used to be from the mid 80s to mid 90s, but there should be some measure of performance for a coach. Is an occasional .500 (or slightly better) season enough? It might be better to wait until the end of the season and revisit this subject. The standings are so close and there is so much parity in the CCHA this season that a lot can change over the next few weeks.
                                I agree totally. The next four games will show us quite a bit. And they can still finish anyplace between 2nd to 9th.

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