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    That will be interesting, because it did seem at times that certain schools either were able to concentrate talent or to have a pipeline to talent that others lacked...it seems to me that it might be harder for a team these days both to win the championship and also to lose only two games over the course of a season...though given your formula, since teams now have more opportunity for out-of-conference play than they used to, and there are more tournament teams than before, they also can accumulate more wins over tournament teams during a season than teams from an earlier era, and perhaps that element of your formula helps 'modern' teams more on a relative basis, balancing out these other considerations.....
    Exactly. Some portions of the formula help modern teams and some portions help older teams. Today, it's very rare that a team finishes over .800 on a season. BU and Notre Dame were the last two teams to do so, in 2008-2009, and it has only happened a handful of times in the past decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    Exactly. Some portions of the formula help modern teams and some portions help older teams.
    Just curious, if as part of its overall record, a team also had a really good record one year against 'traditional powers' who in that particular year did not make the tournament, does that matter?
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

    #21 appears to be up. UND 2010-11 at 20-2-1?? Something just doesn't add up with this one...

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    #21 appears to be up. UND 2010-11 at 20-2-1?? Something just doesn't add up with this one...
    No, that doesn't. Last year's Sioux squad was 32-9-3.

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    It does appear that #21 is up. Here is the link...

    http://collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Teams.html
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    BTW, here are the most recent point values...

    #21 - 10-11 Sioux - 192.042
    #22 - 55-56 Michigan - 191.746
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    Safe to say that the 84-85 Bulldogs (36-9-3, RS, LT, and NCAA 3rd place) might be the only UMD team on this list? The 2010-11 (26-10-6) version won the only trophy that matters, but finished fourth in league play and didn't make it past the WCHA PIG.
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    Safe to say that the 84-85 Bulldogs (36-9-3, RS, LT, and NCAA 3rd place) might be the only UMD team on this list? The 2010-11 (26-10-6) version won the only trophy that matters, but finished fourth in league play and didn't make it past the WCHA PIG.
    The 2010-2011 Bulldogs ranked 125th on my list.

    As for Ferris State, we'll wait until after the end of the season to see where they land. If they go undefeated though, a good chance that the list will need to be updated.
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    The 2010-2011 Bulldogs ranked 125th on my list.
    As they probably should be because of the lack of regular season and WCHA playoff success. Regardless, I wouldn't trade 20 MacNaughton Cups for that National Title.
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    A little late to the party here, but awesome job as always, FS23. Looking forward to the rest of the list.
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    As they probably should be because of the lack of regular season and WCHA playoff success. Regardless, I wouldn't trade 20 MacNaughton Cups for that National Title.
    I don't blame you. I would gladly trade our MacNaughton and Broadmoor from last year for your title.

    I've submitted everything for #20, but it sounded like it wouldn't be up online for a few days.
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

    FS23, did the 1988-89 Harvard team make your top 25?

    31-3-0 (0.912) overall
    20-2-0 (0.909) in conference
    8-0-0 record vs NCAA Tournament teams
    ECAC Regular Season champions
    ECAC Tournament 3rd place
    National Champions
    Hobey Baker Award winner
    Additional Hobey Baker Award finalist
    2 All-Americans (1 1st-team, 1 2nd-team)

    Sounds like a pretty impressive resume to me.
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    FS23, did the 1988-89 Harvard team make your top 25?

    31-3-0 (0.912) overall
    20-2-0 (0.909) in conference
    8-0-0 record vs NCAA Tournament teams
    ECAC Regular Season champions
    ECAC Tournament 3rd place
    National Champions
    Hobey Baker Award winner
    Additional Hobey Baker Award finalist
    2 All-Americans (1 1st-team, 1 2nd-team)

    Sounds like a pretty impressive resume to me.
    While an impressive team, they finished just outside the top 25, at #30. Had they won their conference tournament they would have been in the top 20. When the entire list is published, I'll post the top 50 or so here with point values.
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    Also, it appears that #20 is up and published. Here is the link...

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    no matter how you calculate things, I think its rather silly to consider any team that didn't win the national championship one of the top 25 teams all time.
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    no matter how you calculate things, I think its rather silly to consider any team that didn't win the national championship one of the top 25 teams all time.
    I wouldn't go that far. Since the NCAA tournament is 1-and-done, teams are going to lose when they shouldn't. It doesn't mean they weren't a great team.

    I would agree that the vast majority should be the winners.
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

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    I wouldn't go that far. Since the NCAA tournament is 1-and-done, teams are going to lose when they shouldn't. It doesn't mean they weren't a great team.

    I would agree that the vast majority should be the winners.
    very true. I count the 1992, 1993 UW teams as amongst the most talented they EVER had but they couldn't play together as a team in the end and it did em in. Also the Michigan team that went down to BU at the Bradley Center around 97(?) I think? They had Morrison and Botterill, just an amazingly talented team and somehow lost when all year the hardware was there's for the taking
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

    Quote Originally Posted by JF_Gophers View Post
    I wouldn't go that far. Since the NCAA tournament is 1-and-done, teams are going to lose when they shouldn't. It doesn't mean they weren't a great team.

    I would agree that the vast majority should be the winners.
    I agree, most should be winners, but there are others that are also deserving. FS23 can control that by how much he counts the championship.
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    29-0 is impressive, as is 35-1. ..... It's basically the Boise State problem that college football is facing. There are very good arguments either way.
    If I may borrow an analogy from US professional football, it seems to me more like the question as to which was the greatest ever Super Bowl team, the 1972 Dolphins or the 1985 Bears. People point to the Dolphins 17 - 0 record and say they "have to be" # 1 since they are the only post-merger team ever to post an undefeated season.

    The 1985 Bears were probably the most dominant post-merger team ever *, and it took a miracle game by Dan Marino in Miami to beat the Bears that year. They were undefeated in their division and in their conference, and they completely obliterated their playoff opponents.

    While I personally would choose the Bears, I cannot argue with those who chose the Dolphins, since we are giving different weight to the same criteria.

    Since it's your formula, we'll see how you chose to weight these factors when the top five are announced.


    * I myself would give the Bears bonus points for releasing The Super Bowl Shuffle rap video in the middle of the season and then following up the talk with the walk so to speak. It takes a certain combination of swagger, confidence, and ability to say you are going to win it all that early in the season, and then actually do it!
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