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    To be fair, I fully agreed with you that the B1G is improving, and, with the addition of Notre Dame, should be a better conference next season. With the history/size/budget/prestige/investment of the B1G programs, I don't think anyone felt the conference would struggle long term. I think most people are surprised that the B1G has struggled to the extent it has in its first four years.
    IMO, part of the problem the casual fans of the schools are not interested as much anymore in college hockey if we look at the attendance of all five WCHA/CCHA schools they are way down. Almost every Big Ten game seems to be half empty in years past the fans would have been furious if their schools were not winning but today apathy. This does not bode well for the college game if the Big Ten becomes more disinterested or worse putting less money into their programs it could change the landscape of college hockey forever.
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    IMO, part of the problem the casual fans of the schools are not interested as much anymore in college hockey if we look at the attendance of all five WCHA/CCHA schools they are way down. Almost every Big Ten game seems to be half empty in years past the fans would have been furious if their schools were not winning but today apathy. This does not bode well for the college game if the Big Ten becomes more disinterested or worse putting less money into their programs it could change the landscape of college hockey forever.
    Fortunately, there are other conferences than the B1G.

    FWIW, when conference realignment happened, no conference changed the way that the B1G did. It also doesn't help that Michigan has been on the decline, Wisconsin really struggled for a couple years, and Michigan State is in shambles. If the B1G programs hope to get back somewhat close to where they were pre-realignment, those three schools need to get better products on the ice. Having Minnesota dominate the conference and then embarrass it in the NCAA Tournament isn't a recipe for fans to get excited and back in the seats.
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    Fortunately, there are other conferences than the B1G.

    FWIW, when conference realignment happened, no conference changed the way that the B1G did. It also doesn't help that Michigan has been on the decline, Wisconsin really struggled for a couple years, and Michigan State is in shambles. If the B1G programs hope to get back somewhat close to where they were pre-realignment, those three schools need to get better products on the ice. Having Minnesota dominate the conference and then embarrass it in the NCAA Tournament isn't a recipe for fans to get excited and back in the seats.
    Embarrass is a pretty strong word.

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    Embarrass is a pretty strong word.
    That it is. For a program that thinks as much of itself as Minnesota, to either not make the NCAA Tournament or lose in the first round the last three seasons is pretty embarrassing.
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

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    Almost every Big Ten game seems to be half empty...
    They do?

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    Almost every Big Ten game seems to be half empty
    3 of the Top 5, and 6 of the Top 13 in total attendance were Big Ten teams.
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    Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

    Quote Originally Posted by 4four4 View Post
    IMO, part of the problem the casual fans of the schools are not interested as much anymore in college hockey if we look at the attendance of all five WCHA/CCHA schools they are way down. Almost every Big Ten game seems to be half empty in years past the fans would have been furious if their schools were not winning but today apathy. This does not bode well for the college game if the Big Ten becomes more disinterested or worse putting less money into their programs it could change the landscape of college hockey forever.
    Quite a consistent doom and gloom post. Are you always this negative? Couldn't disagree more on the future of Big Ten hockey. I think the future looks pretty good at this point. After 62 years in the WCHA, many Gopher fans needed time to lament their departure in 2013. That's human nature for devoted sports fans in general when major changes emerge. I think you should check attendance data first for accuracy.

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    With its win yesterday, Duluth set an NCAA record with its 16th win over an NCAA Tournament team this season.

    Given how strong both Duluth and Denver have been this year, whoever wins on Saturday will likely flirt with cracking the Top 10. Heck, even the loser will likely finish around the Top 25. To put that in perspective...only 1 season in the NCAA Tournament Era features 2 teams in the Top 25: 1955-1956 (Clarkson (#17) and Michigan (#23)). Whoever wins on Saturday will definitely have earned it.
    I'm intrigued to see where this UMD team stacks up to other UMD teams. I'd say it's second to the 84 team which had a higher winning percentage in more games, obviously the best team Sandelin has put together.
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    I'm intrigued to see where this UMD team stacks up to other UMD teams. I'd say it's second to the 84 team which had a higher winning percentage in more games, obviously the best team Sandelin has put together.
    I'm almost done doing the triple-double check for these numbers, but I'm fairly certain that this season's UMD squad will come in above both the 1983-1984 and 1984-1985 squads and be the best Duluth squad in its history. The 2016-2017 Bulldogs played 23 of its 42 games against NCAA Tournament teams...and won 16 of those. They were never out of a game, losing only two games by two or more goals (including a game where Western scored 2 ENGs). Unfortunately for Duluth, they played in a season with Denver, who put together an even better season.
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    I have a favor...not including the 2016-17 season, can I get a summary of the top 25 teams all-time? struggling to find it in this thread.
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    I have a favor...not including the 2016-17 season, can I get a summary of the top 25 teams all-time? struggling to find it in this thread.
    I'm almost ready to post the 2016-2017 season, so I will post the updated Top 25 shortly thereafter. I believe the original Top 25 was posted on College Hockey Weekly, which is no longer. That is likely why you can't find it.
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    Here are where the 2016-2017 Frozen Four Teams ranked:

    #12 – Denver – 206.325 Points

    The Pioneers dominated the 2016-2017 college hockey landscape and capped it off with a National Championship. DU won an impressive 14 games by 3 goals or more…truly a dominant campaign. The Pios finished just behind the 1977-1978 BU Terriers squad and just ahead of the 1968-1969 Cornell Big Red.

    #22 – Minnesota Duluth – 194 Points

    The Bulldogs set an NCAA record with 16 wins over NCAA Tournament teams. UMD excelled in 1-goal games, going an impressive 14-5-7. Unfortunately for Duluth, they came up on the wrong end of a 1-goal game, but still manage to crack the Top 25 teams in college hockey since 1947. The Dogs finished just behind the 1995-1996 Michigan Wolverines and just ahead of the 2000-2001 BC Eagles.

    #93 -Harvard – 145.4874 Points

    The Crimson went 8-3-0 against NCAA Tournament teams this season, and took home both the ECAC Regular Season and Tournament Titles. A +.800 season, with 20 wins by 3 goals or more, the 2016-2017 Harvard squad finished just short of the ultimate title. Harvard finished just behind the 1999-2000 Wisconsin Badgers and just ahead of the 1952-1953 Minnesota Gopher squad.

    #334 – Notre Dame – 75.8568 Points

    The Fighting Irish failed to capture any hardware, but with an impressive run in the Northeast Regional, Notre Dame went to the program’s third Frozen Four. Notre Dame had a strong schedule, playing 18 games against NCAA Tournament teams (going 9-7-2). The Irish succumbed to Denver in the National Semifinals, but altogether a strong season for the Golden Domers. Notre Dame finished just behind their 2010-2011 squad (who finished with 76.0875 Points) and just ahead of the 1999-2000 New Hampshire Wildcats.

    And the rest of the 2016-2017 Tournament teams:

    #231 – Massachusetts Lowell – 97.6873 Points
    #304 – Minnesota – 82.3585 Points
    #314 – Boston University – 80.4352 Points
    #370 – Western Michigan – 68.8407 Points
    #375 – Union – 68.2748 Points
    #413 – Penn State – 62.5146 Points
    #440 – Air Force – 58.534 Points
    #485 – Ohio State – 50.7072 Points
    #539 – Providence -41.0715 Points
    #545 – North Dakota – 40.201 Points
    #571 – Cornell – 34.9728 Points
    #572 – Michigan Tech – 34.6738 Points

    A very top-heavy group this season. As discussed previously, only one other season featured two Top 25 teams (1955-1956). Add in a third top 100 squad, and that represents a very strong high-end group. However, after that, there were no other 100+ point squads, and just six teams at or above the median (There have been 628 teams ranked (all 613 NCAA Tournament Teams and 15 others who achieved unique success but failed to make the NCAA Tournament (e.g. 1993-1994 Colorado College – Won WCHA Regular Season title, but did not get selected to NCAA Tournament)).
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    As promised, here are the current Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era:

    1. 1992-1993 Maine – 313.0946 Points
    2. 1969-1970 Cornell – 244.61 Points
    3. 1960-1961 Denver – 243.7658 Points
    4. 1986-1987 North Dakota – 233.8107 Points
    5. 1990-1991 Northern Michigan – 229.6944 Points
    6. 2008-2009 Boston University – 227.0232 Points
    7. 1976-1977 Wisconsin – 226.5776 Points
    8. 1984-1985 Rensselaer – 213.5499 Points
    9. 1961-1962 Michigan Tech – 212.8708 Points
    10. 1997-1998 Michigan State – 211.5676 Points
    11. 1977-1978 Boston University – 210.0053 Points
    12. 2016-2017 Denver – 209.325 Points
    13. 1968-1969 Cornell – 206.6362 Points
    14. 2004-2005 Denver – 206.428 Points
    15. 2015-2016 North Dakota – 206.293 Points
    16. 1967-1968 Denver – 204.7811 Points
    17. 1966-1967 Cornell – 203.6961 Points
    18. 1955-1956 Clarkson – 203.691 Points
    19. 2003-2004 North Dakota – 201.94 Points
    20. 1980-1981 Minnesota – 200.2411 Points
    21. 1995-1996 Michigan – 197.7472 Points
    22. 2016-2017 Minnesota Duluth – 194 Points
    23. 2000-2001 Boston College – 192.2315 Points
    24. 2010-2011 North Dakota – 192.042 Points
    25. 1955-1956 Michigan – 191.7456 Points
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    Here are where the 2016-2017 Frozen Four Teams ranked:

    #12 – Denver – 206.325 Points

    The Pioneers dominated the 2016-2017 college hockey landscape and capped it off with a National Championship. DU won an impressive 14 games by 3 goals or more…truly a dominant campaign. The Pios finished just behind the 1977-1978 BU Terriers squad and just ahead of the 1968-1969 Cornell Big Red.

    #22 – Minnesota Duluth – 194 Points

    The Bulldogs set an NCAA record with 16 wins over NCAA Tournament teams. UMD excelled in 1-goal games, going an impressive 14-5-7. Unfortunately for Duluth, they came up on the wrong end of a 1-goal game, but still manage to crack the Top 25 teams in college hockey since 1947. The Dogs finished just behind the 1995-1996 Michigan Wolverines and just ahead of the 2000-2001 BC Eagles.

    #93 -Harvard – 145.4874 Points

    The Crimson went 8-3-0 against NCAA Tournament teams this season, and took home both the ECAC Regular Season and Tournament Titles. A +.800 season, with 20 wins by 3 goals or more, the 2016-2017 Harvard squad finished just short of the ultimate title. Harvard finished just behind the 1999-2000 Wisconsin Badgers and just ahead of the 1952-1953 Minnesota Gopher squad.

    #334 – Notre Dame – 75.8568 Points

    The Fighting Irish failed to capture any hardware, but with an impressive run in the Northeast Regional, Notre Dame went to the program’s third Frozen Four. Notre Dame had a strong schedule, playing 18 games against NCAA Tournament teams (going 9-7-2). The Irish succumbed to Denver in the National Semifinals, but altogether a strong season for the Golden Domers. Notre Dame finished just behind their 2010-2011 squad (who finished with 76.0875 Points) and just ahead of the 1999-2000 New Hampshire Wildcats.

    And the rest of the 2016-2017 Tournament teams:

    #231 – Massachusetts Lowell – 97.6873 Points
    #304 – Minnesota – 82.3585 Points
    #314 – Boston University – 80.4352 Points
    #370 – Western Michigan – 68.8407 Points
    #375 – Union – 68.2748 Points
    #413 – Penn State – 62.5146 Points
    #440 – Air Force – 58.534 Points
    #485 – Ohio State – 50.7072 Points
    #539 – Providence -41.0715 Points
    #545 – North Dakota – 40.201 Points
    #571 – Cornell – 34.9728 Points
    #572 – Michigan Tech – 34.6738 Points

    A very top-heavy group this season. As discussed previously, only one other season featured two Top 25 teams (1955-1956). Add in a third top 100 squad, and that represents a very strong high-end group. However, after that, there were no other 100+ point squads, and just six teams at or above the median (There have been 628 teams ranked (all 613 NCAA Tournament Teams and 15 others who achieved unique success but failed to make the NCAA Tournament (e.g. 1993-1994 Colorado College – Won WCHA Regular Season title, but did not get selected to NCAA Tournament)).
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    FS23. How much higher would Lowell have climbed had they made the F4? I assume the 12-13 Lowell team came in higher than the 16-17?
    They would have jumped 30-40 spots most likely....right around 200. The 2012-2013 Lowell squad finished with 86.2792 Points, and currently sits at 285th. The 2013-2014 Lowell squad is the highest ranked Riverhawk squad, finishing with 110.5879 Points, and currently sits at 189th.
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    Surprised 1968=1969 Denver team isn't in the top 25 since they beat #13 '68-'69 Cornell (with Ken Dryden) for the Championship that year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    I'm almost done doing the triple-double check for these numbers, but I'm fairly certain that this season's UMD squad will come in above both the 1983-1984 and 1984-1985 squads and be the best Duluth squad in its history. The 2016-2017 Bulldogs played 23 of its 42 games against NCAA Tournament teams...and won 16 of those. They were never out of a game, losing only two games by two or more goals (including a game where Western scored 2 ENGs). Unfortunately for Duluth, they played in a season with Denver, who put together an even better season.
    Oh wow, well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizoroo View Post
    Surprised 1968=1969 Denver team isn't in the top 25 since they beat #13 '68-'69 Cornell (with Ken Dryden) for the Championship that year.
    The '68-69 DU squad is currently ranked #98 with 144.2989 points. Failing to win the WCHA hurt that Pioneers squad, and they weren't entirely dominant against their competition. Cornell meanwhile went 27-2-0, with 19 wins by 3+ goals, and lost their only game against NCAA Tournament competition in the NCAA Championship game. The NCAA Championship game is obviously the most important game in the entire college hockey season, and I'm sure Cornell fans would gladly trade some of that squad's gaudy stats for a win in the big game, but, accordingly to the formula at least, Cornell was the better team.
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