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    The only reason they don't wear them is because it is not required. Seat belt hindered drivers in the 70"s but somehow drivwers got used to them.. I remember when OSHA wanted to put guards on table saws and other owood worjking equipment. Everyone complained! Production managers claimed "The workers can't get their work done", "It is more dangerous!"

    They (mouthguards might not work every time, seat belts don't either, but if it was your kid and it saved him or her even a busted lip or tooth, I;d say it was worth it.

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    KARE 11 in Minneapolis / St. Paul recently aired an hour long and fairly in depth broadcast titled "The Concussion Discussion" which focused on concussions to the athletes in all sports at all levels. It was a very interesting show with good information IMO. Most, if not all segments of the broadcast are linked on the KARE 11 community page.

    http://www.kare11.com/news/specials/...n/default.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBehindTheCurtain View Post
    With concussions becoming more and more prevalent at the younger ages of hockey, how will this affect the recruiting efforts by the D1 and D3 coaches? Testing before an offer is made? Does the probability increase of getting a second concussion after already having one?

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    The evidence and consequences are so over-whelming it just isn't rational to not wear their mouth guards. It was encouraging to see a much higher percentage of players at the MN state tourney wearing their guards. The fitted guards are much more affordable now and do not restrict breathing so there is absolutely no downside to wearing them. Yes, they won't protect from all impact angles but any coach that allows the players to not wear them in practices and games is doing a disservice to their players. Recommendation to all players is if they have not already, get an IMPACT test done in case they do suffer a concussion so that they can assess the return of cognitive abilities as well as when to return to play. This is especially important over the Spring-Summer period where they may not have athletic trainers as part of their teams/programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammar22 View Post
    With concussions becoming more and more prevalent at the younger ages of hockey, how will this affect the recruiting efforts by the D1 and D3 coaches? Testing before an offer is made? Does the probability increase of getting a second concussion after already having one?
    Supposedly it does increase the chance of another but time between hits may make a huge difference.

    Many high schools now are getting their athletes tested preconcussion, in the case they have one as a comparison. Usually free or under $5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puckskillz View Post
    The evidence and consequences are so over-whelming it just isn't rational to not wear their mouth guards. It was encouraging to see a much higher percentage of players at the MN state tourney wearing their guards. The fitted guards are much more affordable now and do not restrict breathing so there is absolutely no downside to wearing them. Yes, they won't protect from all impact angles but any coach that allows the players to not wear them in practices and games is doing a disservice to their players.
    What are the various requirements for wearing/not wearing a mouth guard? Twenty years ago, a goaltender from my high school was given a 10-minute misconduct when the official realized he wasn't using one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyDave View Post
    What are the various requirements for wearing/not wearing a mouth guard? Twenty years ago, a goaltender from my high school was given a 10-minute misconduct when the official realized he wasn't using one.
    I believe in MN HS hockey, the player must wear a colored (not white or translucent)mouth guard that the official can easily see. This makes it more difficult for the player to leave in the cage, bite on the side of the mouth or actually tuck into their glove. If the official sees that the mouth guard is out of the mouth, the player is reminded to re-insert it. If this occurs repeatedly, the player can be given a 2 min penalty and if completely negligent a game misconduct. Maybe a MN referee has a more detailed interpretation to this. In any regards, it's a great idea and the coaches and parents can easily see if the player has his/hers in.

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    I am quoting the 2011-2013 USA Hockey rule book, rule 304 (f):

    "All players, including goalkeepers, in the 12 & under (Youth
    and Girls’) through Youth 18 & under (including High
    School) and Girls’ 19 & under age classifications are required
    to wear a colored (non-clear) internal mouthpiece that covers
    all the remaining teeth of one jaw, customarily the upper. It
    is strongly recommended, in all classifications, that all
    players wear a mouthpiece form fitted by a dentist.
    For the first violation of this rule, the team shall be issued
    a warning. A misconduct penalty for an equipment violation
    shall be assessed to any player or goalkeeper of that team for
    a subsequent violation during that game."

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    A read through the following CBC article and checking out the totals at the bottom of the two lists and I don't know how any reasonable person doesn't conclude that this endemic problem is way beyond stupid...

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...ions-list.html

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    I was very troubled to hear about this...another hockey career cut short. I wish Ashley an expedited full recovery and all the best going forward.
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    Very sad, sounds like a blueprint of Grogan. I wasn't familiar with her name and had somehow missed her on the roster...did she get much ice time in her freshman year?

    There is life after hockey and good for her in that it sounds as though she has accepted this hand that she's been dealt and is reshuffling and moving on to the next stage of her life with a positive attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbeard View Post
    Very sad, sounds like a blueprint of Grogan. I wasn't familiar with her name and had somehow missed her on the roster...did she get much ice time in her freshman year?There is life after hockey and good for her in that it sounds as though she has accepted this hand that she's been dealt and is reshuffling and moving on to the next stage of her life with a positive attitude.
    Four concussions going into her Senior year? Something is wrong there. There is always more to the story.

    As bad as concussions are we really do not know enough about them. Add to that it is a huge media topic now.

    Hope things straighten out for her.

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    More from CBC's "The National" tonight on this topic...

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/thenational...#id=2230179395

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbeard View Post
    More from CBC's "The National" tonight on this topic...
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/thenational...#id=2230179395
    A little sensationalistic. Concussions are an issue but again they are the hyped topic at the moment. For people to say it is an epidemic are not logical in their thinking. Have sports all of a sudden changed? No we have just become more aware. To try and link the dots between head injury and this suicide is wrong. Is it possible? Well of course, but to make or imply such statements not knowing what was going on in the persons life is wrong.

    I do not take concussions lightly, in the medical field, have been an athletic trainer for both hockey and football at the university level and have done extensive testing and modeling of helmets. I don't claim to be an expert but I do find the media and general public rarely follows logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by giwan View Post
    A little sensationalistic. Concussions are an issue but again they are the hyped topic at the moment. For people to say it is an epidemic are not logical in their thinking. Have sports all of a sudden changed? No we have just become more aware. To try and link the dots between head injury and this suicide is wrong. Is it possible? Well of course, but to make or imply such statements not knowing what was going on in the persons life is wrong.

    I do not take concussions lightly, in the medical field, have been an athletic trainer for both hockey and football at the university level and have done extensive testing and modeling of helmets. I don't claim to be an expert but I do find the media and general public rarely follows logic
    Not so sensationalistic. I personally know one young lady who blacked out regularly and a young man who took weeks to finally recognize his friends and school. Both were put back playing too soon IMO and risked further injury.

    Helmets don't really help that much with concussions, but they do prevent fractured skulls pretty well. I would love to read research that says the same force hit both with and without a helmet has much different result. There isn't such perfect research for this (it would be immoral to do) and the helmet makers are really just guessing - educated guesses, but still a guess.

    Sports have changed some, but the equipment has changed tremendously. Actions which were prohibitively painful or injurious in the gear of 20 years ago are now commonplace. Forces are much greater now and with higher frequency. Soft tissue injuries really don't require much force.

    I'd love it if someone has solid info to the contrary. Unfortunately at this time, my (ignorant) opinion is the concussion 'sensationalism' is currently quite tame compared to where it will be in 5 years.
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    More potentially bad (and if the numbers ultimately prove to be accurate, statistically alarming) news...and it certainly can't be exclusive to this local market...

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...ncussions.html

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    Neck strength could be key to concussion prevention...

    http://athleticbusiness.com/articles...icid=136030023

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    More, (article & video) from tonight's "The National"...(and I keep thinking what a sorry lot those guys who fight in the UFC and similar organizations will be in 30 years)...

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...order-cte.html
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