2011 NHL Off-Season: The Puck Boat edition

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Why can't the history be transferred from one team to another, one a team is moved the franchise history is effectively reset to zero anyway.

I thought it worked well when the NFL did that for the Cleveland Browns.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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The Boozin' Wall has dropped his DUI appeal and will serve his sentence.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=372511

Yes, I just wanted an opportunity to use that nickname.

[bronconick]

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I thought it worked well when the NFL did that for the Cleveland Browns.

That was the result of a lawsuit and legal settlement. Winnipeg's owners didn't really want the name, and they're not going to pull a lawsuit out of their *** for a history they don't really care about.

Almington: Sure, if we change relocation rules so that the current players are left behind and a new expansion draft takes place. With your rules, the 1983 Super Bowl Champion is ______ until someone moves a team to LA.

[Almington]

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Almington: Sure, if we change relocation rules so that the current players are left behind and a new expansion draft takes place. With your rules, the 1983 Super Bowl Champion is ______ until someone moves a team to LA.

You can move a franchise, all the players, and still leave the history without creating a whole new franchise , no need to hold an expansion draft or make it any more complicated than it has to be.

The history is what it is and will remain so. Effectively the history of the original Jets or the Nordeques exists no more then as a chapter in a history book, the franchises that may have moved from those locations may technically have that history, but it isn't something that matters to those franchises anymore.

[bronconick]

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The only reason this hasn't come to a head yet is because no one that has won anything ever seems to move. The Islanders aren't going to leave their banners behind for some future secondary New York hockey team if their arena deal gets shot down and they become the Kansas City Scouts 2.0

Should the Timberwolves have the 5 championships of the Minneapolis Lakers? No. That's just stupid.

[Priceless]

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Should the Timberwolves have the 5 championships of the Minneapolis Lakers?

How else are they going to get a championship?

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

How else are they going to get a championship?

They could try to wi..............oh, right.

[state of hockey]

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The Timberwolves shouldn't even exist.

[Almington]

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The only reason this hasn't come to a head yet is because no one that has won anything ever seems to move. The Islanders aren't going to leave their banners behind for some future secondary New York hockey team if their arena deal gets shot down and they become the Kansas City Scouts 2.0

Should the Timberwolves have the 5 championships of the Minneapolis Lakers? No. That's just stupid.

That's because the Lakers claim those championships for the FRANCHISE, same with the Raiders, even the Stars kept the retired numbers and records from when they were the North Stars (did not know that, quite impressed by that fact).

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

My opinion is that a team should either have to keep all of it's history, or leave all of it's history (and name) behind for a team that returns to that city (if they so chose to accept it). If the team returning to the city chooses not to accept it, then the name and team end up as just a footnote in history unconnected to any active franchise.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Ryan Callahan resigns with the Rangers for 3 years, 13 million.

That pretty much should complete the Rangers roster.

I'm happy with the Rangers offseason. No outragelously terrible deals by Sather except for the Rupp deal being too much, but we still ended up getting everybody signed we needed to and landed the big fish in Richards.

I'll certainly hold my optimism until the season starts, but I like this Rangers team on paper if they stay healthy and the younger guys continue to mature and ascend to the primary leadership roles on the team.

Of course, it all goes to hell and a handbasket if Lundqvist gets hurt since that's who this team is built around.


Just praying that Gaborik and Richards can develop chemistry so that the Rangers can have two very legitimate scoring lines with Dubinsky and Callahan on the other.

[jen]

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That's because the Lakers claim those championships for the FRANCHISE, same with the Raiders, even the Stars kept the retired numbers and records from when they were the North Stars (did not know that, quite impressed by that fact).

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

My opinion is that a team should either have to keep all of it's history, or leave all of it's history (and name) behind for a team that returns to that city (if they so chose to accept it). If the team returning to the city chooses not to accept it, then the name and team end up as just a footnote in history unconnected to any active franchise.

I'd agree the same name/different franchise can be confusing, but there's several precedents in baseball. The Milwaukee Brewers existed in 1901. They're the Orioles now (previously the St. Louis Browns). The modern Brewers don't claim any of their records or history (not that they won anything - but their players are listed in the All-Time Orioles rosters on the official site). IMO, the history should go with the franchise, even if another team comes later with the same name.

Do you consider the Senators different because the original franchises aren't active NHL teams? Or are they not different? I think it's odd they mention the original Senators as part of the team history when the modern Senators were an expansion franchise.

[Slap Shot]

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I'd agree the same name/different franchise can be confusing, but there's several precedents in baseball. The Milwaukee Brewers existed in 1901. They're the Orioles now (previously the St. Louis Browns). The modern Brewers don't claim any of their records or history (not that they won anything - but their players are listed in the All-Time Orioles rosters on the official site). IMO, the history should go with the franchise, even if another team comes later with the same name.

Do you consider the Senators different because the original franchises aren't active NHL teams? Or are they not different? I think it's odd they mention the original Senators as part of the team history when the modern Senators were an expansion franchise.

I don't think I've ever seen the Twins relate any part of the current franchise to the original Senators.

[joecct]

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I don't think I've ever seen the Twins relate any part of the current franchise to the original Senators.

Baseball Reference does, but I thought the original Senators got attached to the 1961 Senators.

[bigblue_dl]

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I don't think I've ever seen the Twins relate any part of the current franchise to the original Senators.

I've seen some vote from the Twins where you voted for the best pitcher in franchise history and Walter Johnson was on the list.

[Hammer]

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And I also think that they take Harmon Killebrew's stats from when he played for the Sens as their own as well.