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[5mn_Major]

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A weapon was never once seen by the officer, nor was it reached for by Mr. Castillo. Stop blaming the victim.

You missed. Handy's point - Castillo is alive if law enforcement knew there was no possibility of Castillo having a gun.

[leswp1]

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Yeah, conceal carry holders just threaten others because of their guns. 1) Drivers who carry guns are 44 percent more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77 percent more likely to follow them aggressively. 2) Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without. https://www.motherjones.com/politics...hs-fact-check/

Oh and increase the likelihood of death for 1) themselves https://www.newscientist.com/article...ot-and-killed/ 2) others https://thehill.com/regulation/31461...ple-since-2007.

THese kinds of stats have been in medical/public health literature since I was in Nursing school starting in 1978. The diff now is people are encouraged to get all puffed up about the conceal and carry- if they were normal people living in a normal place there is absolutely no reason for C&C except perhaps a visit to the psych folks for treatment of paranoia.

Even worse are the nimrods like the guy I saw in Nashua (small NH City) Best Buy awhile ago- with his open carry, American flag, pistol in the holster on his hip- while he carried his kid on the same hip. That is some kind of effed up. I honestly looked at him and thought, 'oh brother, this dude needs to get a life'.

[rufus]

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This would lead me to believe that those people are aggressive in the first place, which again, goes back to attitudes.

Sure. Give someone a gun, and they think they're a badazz, and no one's gonna fuk with them. So yeah, they approach every situation with attitude that they wouldn't have if they didn't have the gun.

[BassAle]

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Permitted conceal carry permit holders are not the issue. Those folks (hand in air as one) are more law-abiding than average. Heck, look at the hoops we have to go through for permitting to stay ( ... wait for it ... ) legal.

If you think you need to carry a concealed weapon then you're delusional and precisely the kind of person I don't want to have access to firearms.

[The Rube]

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Sure. Give someone a gun, and they think they're a badazz, and no one's gonna fuk with them. So yeah, they approach every situation with attitude that they wouldn't have if they didn't have the gun.

They have a gun because they are aggressive. They aren't aggressive just because they have a gun.

[5mn_Major]

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They have a gun because they are aggressive. They aren't aggressive just because they have a gun.

I have little doubt that its both. They carry a gun because they are and want to be aggressive...and they become more aggressive when they have a gun. I don't know if gun owners are 77% more likely to aggressively follow someone if they don't actually have a gun with them.

[St. Clown]

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You missed. Handy's point - Castillo is alive if law enforcement knew there was no possibility of Castillo having a gun.

No, I didn't. We need police officers who aren't so scared and trigger happy. Guns have existed for hundreds of years, and more people owned them, on a per capita basis, than do now. The man never once made a motion to brandish the firearm. The officer should not be in that role.

I'm not saying that C&C is the right thing to do. It's just that we also need officers who aren't skittish little flowers these days; their vetting process when hiring needs to be more substantial.

[BassAle]

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They have a gun because they are aggressive. They aren't aggressive just because they have a gun.

some people are certainly more aggressive because they have a gun, since they have that option to defend themselves if they escalate a situation to that point

[5mn_Major]

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I'm not saying that C&C is the right thing to do. It's just that we also need officers who aren't skittish little flowers these days; their vetting process when hiring needs to be more substantial.

I think it safe to say we don't want our law enforcement needlessly shooting innocents and conceal carry doesn't reduce the likelihood of that happening.

[aparch]

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Japan forbids all small firearms and frequently has as low as 2 gun related homicides a year. Do you think Japanese law enforcement has itchy trigger fingers?

But isn't it also acceptable for the Japanese to commit suicide over facing shame or dis-honor?

Maybe we need to teach these Vanilla ISIS members the same traditions...

[Drew S.]

some people are certainly more aggressive because they have a gun, since they have that option to defend themselves if they escalate a situation to that point

Completely agree with this. There is a definitely an element of whacky gun owners who might not necessarily have a mental illness.

[rufus]

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No, I didn't. We need police officers who aren't so scared and trigger happy. Guns have existed for hundreds of years, and more people owned them, on a per capita basis, than do now. The man never once made a motion to brandish the firearm. The officer should not be in that role.

I'm not saying that C&C is the right thing to do. It's just that we also need officers who aren't skittish little flowers these days; their vetting process when hiring needs to be more substantial.

Could it possibly be that police officers are more skittish, and likely to use deadly force at the least movement because they don't know just who might be carrying a weapon these days?

Nah, that's just crazy talk.

[St. Clown]

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Could it possibly be that police officers are more skittish, and likely to use deadly force at the least movement because they don't know just who might be carrying a weapon these days?

Nah, that's just crazy talk.

The man informed the officer that he had a C&C permit, and that his weapon was in the glove compartment, not on him. He asked the officers (two of them on scene) how to proceed. The younger officer then shot him dead while Mr. Castillo was following the directions he was given. It was all on the body cam and car cam footage.

[ScoobyDoo]

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The man informed the officer that he had a C&C permit, and that his weapon was in the glove compartment, not on him. He asked the officers (two of them on scene) how to proceed. The younger officer then shot him dead while Mr. Castillo was following the directions he was given. It was all on the body cam and car cam footage.

And the officer was found innocent of any wrongdoing because guns.

[Handyman]

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If Philandro Castille wasn't pulled over by an officer with an itchy trigger finger, he would be alive today. Philandro never once even held the gun when he was pulled over, just told the officer that it was in the glove compartment and then started following orders given to him.

Agreed. And why do you think that cop had an itchy trigger finger perhaps