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"It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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Originally posted by Handyman View PostRight but that isn't the same thing. I should be taxed at a higher rate because I can be and survive.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostAnd that's the disagreement. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should be forced to.
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Brent, another way to look at it. The poor don't live large. They typically live paycheck to paycheck, rent small apartments and just can't afford to do much else. The rich travel all the time, don't just own a car but often commute sizable distances, own large homes, shop and eat out quite a bit.
Everyone uses government infrastructure and services. The rich on average require and use many times more than someone who doesn't own much of anything, flips burgers all day and goes home to a microwave dinner.Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostBrent, another way to look at it. The poor don't live large. They typically live paycheck to paycheck, rent small apartments and just can't afford to do much else. The rich travel all the time, don't just own a car but often commute sizable distances, own large homes, shop and eat out quite a bit.
Everyone uses government infrastructure and services. The rich on average require and use many times more than someone who doesn't own much of anything, flips burgers all day and goes home to a microwave dinner.Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostI'm not poor, but I am far from rich. My "big day out" is to go to a local restaurant for lunch and a beer or two. That was my choice in life. I value other things more than money. I still am saying that I don't think it's right that if you earn more, you pay a higher rate of taxes.
If you're using many times more government infrastructure and services than someone else, shouldn't you pay a commensurate amount more for them?Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostI still am saying that I don't think it's right that if you earn more, you pay a higher rate of taxes.
And you're also ignoring the fact that the person making 40,000 and the person making 1,040,000 pay the same rate on that first 40,000. The person only pays the higher rate for the income above the threshold for a given bracket.
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostAnd that's the disagreement. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should be forced to.
If you want the country to work, you need help from those who can help."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostI'm not poor, but I am far from rich. My "big day out" is to go to a local restaurant for lunch and a beer or two. That was my choice in life. I value other things more than money. I still am saying that I don't think it's right that if you earn more, you pay a higher rate of taxes."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by unofan View PostAnd we're all saying you're 100 percent wrong.
And you're also ignoring the fact that the person making 40,000 and the person making 1,040,000 pay the same rate on that first 40,000. The person only pays the higher rate for the income above the threshold for a given bracket."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
-aparch
"Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
-INCH
Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
-ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostIf you're using many times more government infrastructure and services than someone else, shouldn't you pay a commensurate amount more for them?
However, it does irk me when I read statements of alleged fact like you just wrote that I might use "many times more" government infrastructure and services than others.
I'd really like to see a link on that.
I know for a fact that my neighbor doesn't make 25% of what I make. But we drive down the same street to get home, the same cop drives by both our homes, the same street light lights our street, the same sewer line hauls both of our crap away, our kids went to the same school, etc...That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Originally posted by Handyman View PostYes I should. I want social safety nets and good infrastructure along with quality education. (not to mention police and fire departments) I want society as a whole to benefit. If a couple thousand bucks more can help then it is my duty as an American to do so.
If you want the country to work, you need help from those who can help.
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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostI personally think some sort of progressive tax structure is fine.
However, it does irk me when I read statements of alleged fact like you just wrote that I might use "many times more" government infrastructure and services than others.
I'd really like to see a link on that.
I know for a fact that my neighbor doesn't make 25% of what I make. But we drive down the same street to get home, the same cop drives by both our homes, the same street light lights our street, the same sewer line hauls both of our crap away, our kids went to the same school, etc...
The top third of Americans have an income of $65K and the bottom third have an income of $37.5K (wiki).
The upper third spends twice the lower third on gas, auto maintenance, insurance...and even public transport.
The upper third spends almost three times the lower third on eating out...and pets, media equipment and services, toys and admission events.
Now what do you think these numbers would be if we compared somebody earning $30K vs. somebody who makes say $200K? Are we good?
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...res-and-incomeGo Gophers!
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostHave I ever let you down?
The top third of Americans have an income of $65K and the bottom third have an income of $37.5K (wiki).
The upper third spends twice the lower third on gas, auto maintenance, insurance...and even public transport.
The upper third spends almost three times the lower third on eating out...and pets, media equipment and services, toys and admission events.
Now what do you think these numbers would be if we compared somebody earning $30K vs. somebody who makes say $200K? Are we good?
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...res-and-incomeThat community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Originally posted by BassAle View Postflat taxes are a bad idea. Due to the diminishing marginal utility of money, a flat tax "harms" lower income people more than it harms high income people. A progressive tax structure is the most "fair".Code:As of 9/21/10: As of 9/13/10: College Hockey 6 College Football 0 BTHC 4 WCHA FC: 1
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