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    Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

    Since we're all whining about it, let's talk about it.

    The way I would start solving it in many cases, is to start from scratch. Lay down a grid of squares/rectangles equal to the number of reps your state gets, then make reasonable adjustments for population requirements as necessary.

    The goal is to have fewer districts that look like, for example, MI-11:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michig...ince_2013).tif

    That approach likely will not work for every state, however. New York, for instance, where NYC and Lawn Guyland get about 15 of New York state's reps because of population density.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...13_to_2022.png

    Some states have been moving to "independent" (from state houses) commissions in preparation for the re-draw after the 2020 census. Michigan will have a proposal on the ballot next month to implement one.
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    Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

    Of course there needs to be attention paid to population density, but crazy shapes can be avoided. Looking at NY's map there, that's actually an incredibly reasonable example of good districting. Do they use the legislature or an independent commission?

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    • #3
      Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

      Iowa may screw up many things, but its redistricting process is a gold standard.

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        Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

        Originally posted by unofan View Post
        Iowa may screw up many things, but its redistricting process is a gold standard.
        You can't be talking about at a federal level. There are four corners. Not sure how you can mess that up.
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        • #5
          Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

          Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
          The goal is to have fewer districts that look like, for example, MI-11:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michig...ince_2013).tif
          Amateurs. Check out the lengths (and I do mean distances) that Texas goes to in ensuring that there are enough Red Blooded 'Muricans in each district to cancel out the pockets of Blue Heathens in Austin, San Antonio, etc.
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            Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
            You can't be talking about at a federal level. There are four corners. Not sure how you can mess that up.
            Hence why I called it a gold standard...

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            • #7
              Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

              Originally posted by unofan View Post
              Hence why I called it a gold standard...
              Aim high. Your bound to come up short.
              Go Gophers!

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                Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

                Alaska does it best for federal offices.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                  Aim high. Your bound to come up short.
                  Look, I know you think Minnesota's shiat don't stink, but Iowa's redistricting process gets cited nationally as one of the best in the country. It's non-partisan, it follows natural division lines where practicable, it creates compact districts, and it works smoothly.

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                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    Alaska does it best for federal offices.
                    No. Anything with Don Young cannot be described as “best”.

                    And our State level districts are very gerrymandered.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

                      Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      Look, I know you think Minnesota's shiat don't stink, but Iowa's redistricting process gets cited nationally as one of the best in the country. It's non-partisan, it follows natural division lines where practicable, it creates compact districts, and it works smoothly.
                      Its fine. As with MN, its just not much of a challenge. Its like education in a homogeneous, affluent city. Not as difficult.

                      Try districting a partisan, diverse state with rural areas and numerous major cities like FL.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

                        Ohio voters passed a ballot measure in the spring that is designed to limit how much gerrymandering takes place. Politicians will draw the lines, but at least half of each party will need to approve the lines. If the lawmakers can't agree on it then a 7 person commission will draw the lines. The commission would be made up of the governor, auditor, secretary of state and four lawmakers – two from each of the major political parties. 4 of the 7 would have to agree, including at least 2 from both parties, meaning if 5 are republicans and the only democrats are the lawmakers, both Democratic lawmakers would have to be on board. At the end of the day if no plan would be approved in a bi-partisan fashion the party in power could draw the lines, but the districts would have to be re-drawn in four years, instead of 10 years.

                        I don't think you can completely eliminate gerrymandering, and there is always going to be interference from political parties, but at least this way both parties have to have input and both parties have to at least see SOME fairness in it. The senate used to work like that when you needed 60 votes for some things. 60 might have been too many, 55 maybe would be better, but some bipartisan consensus. I've always been a proponent that the speaker of the house should need at least a minimal amount of votes to win, perhaps 5% of the minority party. Think how much compromise there might be if a republican knew he or she needed even 10 or 15 democrats to vote for them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                          Amateurs. Check out the lengths (and I do mean distances) that Texas goes to in ensuring that there are enough Red Blooded 'Muricans in each district to cancel out the pockets of Blue Heathens in Austin, San Antonio, etc.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by unofan View Post
                            Look, I know you think Minnesota's shiat don't stink, but Iowa's redistricting process gets cited nationally as one of the best in the country. It's non-partisan, it follows natural division lines where practicable, it creates compact districts, and it works smoothly.
                            Don't waste you're time...he doesn't have time to read it ducking all those bullets in 394
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                              Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!

                              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                              Don't waste you're time...he doesn't have time to read it ducking all those bullets in 394
                              Cuz pretty much anyone would rather be shot than have to drive through Crystal. Of all places, why in the world would you choose to live there?
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