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    Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together

    Who exactly are these Canadians that you guys want and would be willing/able to go to UW? Right now our best recruits coming in the next few years are Cole Caufield (Mosinee, WI), Turcotte (Walled Lake, MI) and Miller (St. Paul, MN). If you have certain players in mind speak up about them. Generalizing a location and saying we should get players from there doesn't mean much. There's plenty of talent everywhere. Just get the elite ones onto campus. That's all that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalbooya View Post
    Who exactly are these Canadians that you guys want and would be willing/able to go to UW? Right now our best recruits coming in the next few years are Cole Caufield (Mosinee, WI), Turcotte (Walled Lake, MI) and Miller (St. Paul, MN). If you have certain players in mind speak up about them. Generalizing a location and saying we should get players from there doesn't mean much. There's plenty of talent everywhere. Just get the elite ones onto campus. That's all that matters.
    Right right. Weíre recruiters now and know every player out there. Itís odd how people cannot handle even a slight criticism of their favorite team.

    How about this, iíll Take a Canadian player any day of the week over a Midwest player unless said player is an elite Minnesota prospect. Thatís just like, my opinion, man. 😆

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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    Right right. We’re recruiters now and know every player out there. It’s odd how people cannot handle even a slight criticism of their favorite team.

    How about this, i’ll Take a Canadian player any day of the week over a Midwest player unless said player is an elite Minnesota prospect. That’s just like, my opinion, man. ��

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    I get that you have your opinions, are you are 100% entitled to them. But to say that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is wrong is taking things a step to far...and far too common in our current world.

    I'll borrow a line from any commercial you might see about financial investments:
    "Past performance is not an indicator of future success"

    Yeah, we had some great Canadian players in the past. Yup, there are some great hockey players coming out of Canada.
    Does that mean that any Canadian player is a lock to be a great player? Nope
    Does that mean that any Canadian player who wants to play NCAA hockey is going to be better than any NCAA-bound player from the Midwest? Nope

    There are good players in Canada, there are good players in the USA, there are good players in Europe.
    There is a shifting landscape that constantly makes playing in any number of leagues in Canada, the US, or Europe more or less attractive. Compensation levels shift, quality of facilities change, competition levels fluctuate.
    Right now, it seems like there might be a trend for more Canadian talent to stay home and play in the Canadian leagues.
    That wasn't necessarily the situation 5, 10, 30 years ago.
    That may not be the situation in the next 5, 10 years either.

    Things change, we don't have many Canadians on our team right now.
    Is that the specific problem that is keeping the team from being successful? You might think so, I do not think so.
    Can you point out any recent stats that show that teams with more Canadians are more successful, or that just your hunch from your observations?

    Get the best players on your team, it doesn't matter where they are from.

    I'm far more concerned with the recent fluidity of players committing / decommitting than I am about what country they are from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaMiGo View Post
    I get that you have your opinions, are you are 100% entitled to them. But to say that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is wrong is taking things a step to far...and far too common in our current world.

    I'll borrow a line from any commercial you might see about financial investments:
    "Past performance is not an indicator of future success"

    Yeah, we had some great Canadian players in the past. Yup, there are some great hockey players coming out of Canada.
    Does that mean that any Canadian player is a lock to be a great player? Nope
    Does that mean that any Canadian player who wants to play NCAA hockey is going to be better than any NCAA-bound player from the Midwest? Nope

    There are good players in Canada, there are good players in the USA, there are good players in Europe.
    There is a shifting landscape that constantly makes playing in any number of leagues in Canada, the US, or Europe more or less attractive. Compensation levels shift, quality of facilities change, competition levels fluctuate.
    Right now, it seems like there might be a trend for more Canadian talent to stay home and play in the Canadian leagues.
    That wasn't necessarily the situation 5, 10, 30 years ago.
    That may not be the situation in the next 5, 10 years either.

    Things change, we don't have many Canadians on our team right now.
    Is that the specific problem that is keeping the team from being successful? You might think so, I do not think so.
    Can you point out any recent stats that show that teams with more Canadians are more successful, or that just your hunch from your observations?

    Get the best players on your team, it doesn't matter where they are from.

    I'm far more concerned with the recent fluidity of players committing / decommitting than I am about what country they are from...
    Where did I comment saying someoneís opinion is wrong? We need to slow down and read every word. Iím stating my opinion and mine alone. I would like more Canadian kids on the roster.
    If you or booya want an entire line-up of WI guys or 13-14 WI players fine. That is decidedly not what I think will be successful against BU, BC, Minn, Nodak, Denver et al. And thatís my opinion only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    Where did I comment saying someoneís opinion is wrong? We need to slow down and read every word. Iím stating my opinion and mine alone. I would like more Canadian kids on the roster.
    If you or booya want an entire line-up of WI guys or 13-14 WI players fine. That is decidedly not what I think will be successful against BU, BC, Minn, Nodak, Denver et al. And thatís my opinion only.

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    Boston College 2018-2019 Roster - 2 - Canada, 3 - Finland, 1- Wisconsin, and have players from the hockey hotbeds of Georgia, Florida, Idaho, Texas, Nevada, California and Missouri.
    Boston University - 4 - Canada, 1 -Finland, most of the rest from New England, with Minnesota, Michigan and Illinois represented
    Minnesota - 1 - Canada, 1 - Finland, 20 - Minnesota, one each Alaska, Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan
    North Dakota - 10 - Canada, 1 - Finland, 1 - Norway, 11 - Minnesota, 1 - North Dakota, 1 - Ohio
    Denver - 10 - Canada, 1 - Finland, 1- Norway, 1- Sweden, 7 - California, 2 - Illinois, 3 - Colorado, 1 - Michigan


    From your list, it seems only North Dakota and Denver have made Canada a priority. Boston College seems to follow the philosophy of getting the best players they can regardless of where they're from.

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    Back in the day, Rodentsota and Canada seemed to produce the majority of high quality players, but now the USDP and the rise of organizations like the Chicago Mission in particular have increased the talent pool south of the border. I do agree that UW needs to get the best players from where ever, and that includes Canada. I'm sure they aren't ignoring Canada, they just haven't landed anyone recently and missed on a few bigs the last few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCityRich View Post
    2006? Hello, check your Google Calendar, it's 2018
    The birth years around 1982 - 1990 in Wisconsin produced incredible talent. Some were high school, Capitols, and other Tier 1 organIzations. Now, there are kids here and there, but nothing like the past. No debate. These latest aren't "the best". Some of the best have decommitted. Whatever happened to the pipeline we had in Western Canada? Specifically the BCHL, Penticton Vees, etc?

    I'm not impressed loading the team up with Illinois and Wisconsin talent.

    I hope I'm wrong, but there might be more ****ty years ahead.
    I think most teams would take Emberson, Gorniak, Miller, Turcotte and Caufield in a heart beat. I could give a rats *** where these kids come from. I hope you're wrong too...I think the future is bright.

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    About 30% of D1 players are Canadian. ( I actually think this is more Canadians, not less, than it was 30 years ago, but I could be wrong) While it doesn't necessarily follow that if you take the 10 best players in the league, 3 will be Canadian, (all or none obviously could be Canadian in theory) it is probably a fact that 3 or more are. While I don't agree with solo's black and white, Canadian and elite MN kids are better than everybody else statement, it does make sense that if you want the 25 best players, a handful are necessarily going to be Canadians. I just don't think we can ignore those kids and the value of establishing those pipelines into hockey hotbeds.

    With the all the WI kids on the 06 team, we also had MacMurchy, Joudrey, Street, Elliot.. (is that it?) who were pretty **** important to winning. I don't care where they come from either, but the fact is that a good number do come from Canadian leagues. We do have a couple coming on the horizon, but you do wonder if we're missing out on a few top kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    They need more members of the Canadian Club. Imo, they should have 5-7 guys from Canada on the team, less WI players.
    Have you seen the language test they'd have to pass????
    Way to tough, eh!

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    We all seem to agree that it shouldn't matter where they come from, but I feel like we (i.e. us fans discussing it) are still emphasizing it too much. When I think of where a player "comes from" in the context of on-ice performance, I think if what league(s) they were playing in before college, not their hometown. It's relevant to kids choosing where to play (and scholarship money), but their hometown is irrelevant on the "hockey side" of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    Right right. Weíre recruiters now and know every player out there. Itís odd how people cannot handle even a slight criticism of their favorite team.

    How about this, iíll Take a Canadian player any day of the week over a Midwest player unless said player is an elite Minnesota prospect. Thatís just like, my opinion, man. 😆

    Second,...Max.
    I guess I'll make the short drive to tell Cole Caufield he can't come to UW cause he's not Canadian or an elite Minnesota prospect.

    I don't understand why you have a problem with me saying recruit the elite talent regardless of where they are from. If there are elite Canadians then recruit them because they are elite, not because they are Canadian.

    And don't take a crack at me for not being able to handle slight criticism of my favorite team. I was one of the first posters to criticize G20 and the theoretical drop off in coaching from Don Granato to Mark Strobel.

    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett
    Where did I comment saying someoneís opinion is wrong? We need to slow down and read every word. Iím stating my opinion and mine alone. I would like more Canadian kids on the roster.
    If you or booya want an entire line-up of WI guys or 13-14 WI players fine. That is decidedly not what I think will be successful against BU, BC, Minn, Nodak, Denver et al. And thatís my opinion only.

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    Don't put words in my mouth.

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    I felt bad for Grayden Daul. I generally agree with WiscDC on the matter. We get good news on Grayden (IMO) and then the rant coming of where are the Canadians. Grayden is the type of kid you want at Wisconsin with his history and family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalbooya View Post
    I guess I'll make the short drive to tell Cole Caufield he can't come to UW cause he's not Canadian or an elite Minnesota prospect.

    I don't understand why you have a problem with me saying recruit the elite talent regardless of where they are from. If there are elite Canadians then recruit them because they are elite, not because they are Canadian.

    And don't take a crack at me for not being able to handle slight criticism of my favorite team. I was one of the first posters to criticize G20 and the theoretical drop off in coaching from Don Granato to Mark Strobel.


    Don't put words in my mouth.
    Again, I said solo abides cause you have your opinion and I have mine. Iím cool with that. I want the best players regardless of where they are from but I do feel Canada is still the place to begin the search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiscTJK View Post
    I felt bad for Grayden Daul. I generally agree with WiscDC on the matter. We get good news on Grayden (IMO) and then the rant coming of where are the Canadians. Grayden is the type of kid you want at Wisconsin with his history and family.
    Grayden is a grayt catch, we're all happy to have him. The Canadian discussion is just a filler for the deadtime between now and the time we throttle BC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    Again, I said solo abides cause you have your opinion and I have mine. Iím cool with that. I want the best players regardless of where they are from but I do feel Canada is still the place to begin the search.
    See, now I agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    Grayden is a grayt catch, we're all happy to have him.
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    Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together



    Sheet is updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwhinwi View Post


    Sheet is updated.
    Rumor has it he's Canadian lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPlaya View Post
    Rumor has it he's Canadian lol.
    Maybe they all just say they are from the US now so they don't have to deal with passports and Visa's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwhinwi View Post


    Sheet is updated.
    Probably another really good get. Mann is on a star trajectory having had 33pts in 27 games as a normal-sized (which is to say, pretty darn small for HS) 14-year-old playing varsity on one of the best HS teams in WI last year. Right now I believe he's the only '03 playing up on the Team WI U16's. Kind of kid that looks to be a future USNTDP invitee if he keeps going in the same direction. He's not one of these kid's who are just physically dominating for their age and trail off when everybody catches up later, rather, he seems to be the genuine article. Will be fun to see how he continues to grow and develop.

    Man, it's a long wait 'til he gets here though.
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