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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Man, it's a long wait 'til he gets here though.
    I don't get excited about kids 3, 4, 5 years out anymore. These days, that's a lot of time to change your mind.

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    Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together

    Ben Almquist has been traded to Cedar Rapids. Almquist joins Wisconsin recruit Josh Bohlin on the Riders roster

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    Quote Originally Posted by herbst20 View Post
    Ben Almquist has been traded to Cedar Rapids. Almquist joins Wisconsin recruit Josh Bohlin on the Riders roster
    Awesome, keep us updated periodically on how they look, will you please?
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    Any chance Cam York decommitted from BC to come play for Oz and Tony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPlaya View Post
    Any chance Cam York decommitted from BC to come play for Oz and Tony?
    Anything is possible, I guess. Another 1st rounder on the Blue line would take a little of the sting out of the whole Sampo debacle. Red Deer in the WHL holds his rights up North if he looks that way. Seems like he could use some NCAA bulking up time, so if not Canada and he's just looking elsewhere I'm sure Mel at Michigan and Motzko at Minnesota are in his ear already. He played at Shattuck before going to the NTDP so he's got some roots in both places. Speaking of which, he's from Anaheim Hills which is right next to Irvine, where Nic Kerdiles grew up... so going by that, he's practically a lock to be a Badger!
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    Watched most of the All American Prospects game and I thought all our guys looked pretty good. Caufield netted a pair of nice goals, Turcotte had an assist early, and while Lindmark didn't get on the sheet, I thought he got in the right spots a lot of times, the puck just didn't find him.

    Every body assumes uncommitted Jack Hughes will go to Michigan if he plays NCAA. I just can't believe he would want to break up that Hughes-to-Caufield lethal scoring combo they have going... if you know what I mean...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPlaya View Post
    Any chance Cam York decommitted from BC to come play for Oz and Tony?
    There was a tweet that said it was still likely he ends up in college, the decommitment was staff related, so they better be on the horn.
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    Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
    "Baggot says Hughes and Rockwood are centering the top two lines...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Watched most of the All American Prospects game and I thought all our guys looked pretty good. Caufield netted a pair of nice goals, Turcotte had an assist early, and while Lindmark didn't get on the sheet, I thought he got in the right spots a lot of times, the puck just didn't find him.

    Every body assumes uncommitted Jack Hughes will go to Michigan if he plays NCAA. I just can't believe he would want to break up that Hughes-to-Caufield lethal scoring combo they have going... if you know what I mean...
    Hughes hasnít committed? Interesting. I thought he was a lock for a one and done at Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solovsfett View Post
    Hughes hasnít committed? Interesting. I thought he was a lock for a one and done at Michigan.
    He probably is. Hughes has done what I think any kid that has a chance to make the NTDP should do, which is remain uncommitted. If you're in the top 30 kids, you can choose to go to school anywhere you're academically eligible for your senior year, just like every other college bound senior does. Plus you get the opportunity to get the best visits and pitches from the staff you're almost certain to play for.

    Hughes may just go straight to the NHL next year anyway, he's that good. But I'm sure he's getting calls on a daily basis from everyone and no doubt all the top coaches lined up to say hello last night, just in case. Oz was definitely at the game last night, guessing Tony was too? Hope they had a good pitch for Cam York planned out. Probably a big line to get to see him, too.
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    Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. IV - It's all coming together

    For those complaining that the coaches don't spend enough time in Canada...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    He probably is. Hughes has done what I think any kid that has a chance to make the NTDP should do, which is remain uncommitted. If you're in the top 30 kids, you can choose to go to school anywhere you're academically eligible for your senior year, just like every other college bound senior does. Plus you get the opportunity to get the best visits and pitches from the staff you're almost certain to play for.
    You said it yourself, though. He can go straight to the NHL so he's in a very different situation than his teammates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    He probably is. Hughes has done what I think any kid that has a chance to make the NTDP should do, which is remain uncommitted. If you're in the top 30 kids, you can choose to go to school anywhere you're academically eligible for your senior year, just like every other college bound senior does. Plus you get the opportunity to get the best visits and pitches from the staff you're almost certain to play for.

    Hughes may just go straight to the NHL next year anyway, he's that good. But I'm sure he's getting calls on a daily basis from everyone and no doubt all the top coaches lined up to say hello last night, just in case. Oz was definitely at the game last night, guessing Tony was too? Hope they had a good pitch for Cam York planned out. Probably a big line to get to see him, too.
    I thought he had pretty much said that he would go straight to the NHL. And waiting until your last year is not necessarily the best thing, even for players that good. This day in age, most schools will have already committed most, or all, of their scholarship money for the next year meaning there really wouldn't be a lot of schools to choose from. That may change with a minimum age for school visits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koho View Post
    This day in age, most schools will have already committed most, or all, of their scholarship money for the next year meaning there really wouldn't be a lot of schools to choose from.
    UW has the money. Make it happen SOG.
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    Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
    "Baggot says Hughes and Rockwood are centering the top two lines...
    Timothy A --> Great hockey mind... Or Greatest hockey mind?!?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koho View Post
    I thought he had pretty much said that he would go straight to the NHL. And waiting until your last year is not necessarily the best thing, even for players that good. This day in age, most schools will have already committed most, or all, of their scholarship money for the next year meaning there really wouldn't be a lot of schools to choose from. That may change with a minimum age for school visits.
    Perhaps he will, but thus far, no one has ever gone from the NTDP straight to the show. Depends a lot on his year and who drafts him I suppose.

    I'm not so sure elite players have a problem finding teams. Ranta found a team in August. Room will be made for Cam York on any roster he qualifies for. Plenty of examples of guys reopening their recruiting as seniors and going elsewhere. If you're elite at 18 you will easily find a good home. If your elite at 15 and suck at 18, you aren't going to find room at that top program you committed to anyway. Plenty of examples there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Perhaps he will, but thus far, no one has ever gone from the NTDP straight to the show. Depends a lot on his year and who drafts him I suppose.

    I'm not so sure elite players have a problem finding teams. Ranta found a team in August. Room will be made for Cam York on any roster he qualifies for. Plenty of examples of guys reopening their recruiting as seniors and going elsewhere. If you're elite at 18 you will easily find a good home. If your elite at 15 and suck at 18, you aren't going to find room at that top program you committed to anyway. Plenty of examples there too.
    Well when Ranta decommited, the rumor was he was going to BU because Brady T had left, so that meant BU had money available. Instead he wisely chose MN, which had money freed up when Hurley had decided not to come earlier in the year. And the comparison to make isn't 'how many NTDP player go straight to the NHL?", it is "How many clear number 1 overall picks choose to play NCAA after being selected?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koho View Post
    Well when Ranta decommited, the rumor was he was going to BU because Brady T had left, so that meant BU had money available. Instead he wisely chose MN, which had money freed up when Hurley had decided not to come earlier in the year. And the comparison to make isn't 'how many NTDP player go straight to the NHL?", it is "How many clear number 1 overall picks choose to play NCAA after being selected?"
    Not sure your question about how many choose to play NCAA is any good either. I think in the last 40 or so years, there have only been a few #1's eligible to play NCAA. Joe Murphy and Rick DiPietro had already played NCAA at MI St and BU respectively. Eric Johnson did go to MN after being drafted #1. Kane went to the London Knights and Matthews went to Sweden instead of college, but that remained in doubt for quite awhile. I think every other #1 was ineligible to play NCAA.

    So of the 5, 2 played NCAA hockey before, one of the other three went to the NCAA after. DiPietro is the only NCAA eligible #1 to actually play on a regular NHL roster the year after he was drafted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Not sure your question about how many choose to play NCAA is any good either. I think in the last 40 or so years, there have only been a few #1's eligible to play NCAA. Joe Murphy and Rick DiPietro had already played NCAA at MI St and BU respectively. Eric Johnson did go to MN after being drafted #1. Kane went to the London Knights and Matthews went to Sweden instead of college, but that remained in doubt for quite awhile. I think every other #1 was ineligible to play NCAA.

    So of the 5, 2 played NCAA hockey before, one of the other three went to the NCAA after. DiPietro is the only NCAA eligible #1 to actually play on a regular NHL roster the year after he was drafted.
    Jack Hughes is draft eligible before he is eligible to play in the NCAA, yet you compare him to mostly players who were eligible to play NCAA before they were old enough to be drafted? Sounds like WI logic. Matthews and the rest couldn't go to the NHL until they were drafted so how are they a good comparison. Looks like Johnson is the only one who waited a year after being drafted. (Why would you pass on a chance to play for the Gophers?) So how many of the number one overall picks in the NHL draft in the last 10-15 years have deferred playing in the NHL for a year, regardless of whether they played in the NCAA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koho View Post
    Jack Hughes is draft eligible before he is eligible to play in the NCAA, yet you compare him to mostly players who were eligible to play NCAA before they were old enough to be drafted? Sounds like WI logic. Matthews and the rest couldn't go to the NHL until they were drafted so how are they a good comparison. Looks like Johnson is the only one who waited a year after being drafted. (Why would you pass on a chance to play for the Gophers?) So how many of the number one overall picks in the NHL draft in the last 10-15 years have deferred playing in the NHL for a year, regardless of whether they played in the NCAA?
    Here's the question you asked---> "How many clear number 1 overall picks choose to play NCAA after being selected?"

    It's a dumb question as almost no one was eligible to play NCAA. When you ask such a dumb question it shouldn't be all that surprising that you get a less than satisfying answer. In the last 20 years, only two #1's, DiPietro and Johnson, were eligible to play in both the NHL and the NCAA following their draft. One went each way.

    Put a different way, nearly all #1's who came from the CHL level or NCAA level, went straight to the NHL. No one drafted at any spot has gone from the USHL level or the NTDP level (which is sort of inbetween) straight to the NHL. Which is what I said.

    The question with Hughes won't be if he's talented enough, it will be if he's physically matured enough to take the pounding of an NHL season. If that's still a question in one year, a GM may be smart to let him fill out a bit in college or MJ rather than risk bringing him up before he's physically there yet. I'd say 60% he's in the show. 35% he's at MI or MJ. Quinn could have signed for big money this year but didn't. Might indicate that the money isn't the top factor with these kids.

    At best it's 30-1 he could be a Badger. He is Turcotte's roommate at the NTDP and they are close. He wrote this about playing with Caufield the other day:
    "I also had an assist when Cole Caufield and I finished a 2-on-1. We were joking about it because we've seen that goal 10 times already; it's kind of automatic. Cole is an unbelievable player. It's fun to play with a guy like that because he has such a special scoring ability."

    He'd probably love to play another year with those guys. I won't be holding my breath though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Here's the question you asked---> "How many clear number 1 overall picks choose to play NCAA after being selected?"

    It's a dumb question as almost no one was eligible to play NCAA. When you ask such a dumb question it shouldn't be all that surprising that you get a less than satisfying answer. In the last 20 years, only two #1's, DiPietro and Johnson, were eligible to play in both the NHL and the NCAA following their draft. One went each way.

    Put a different way, nearly all #1's who came from the CHL level or NCAA level, went straight to the NHL. No one drafted at any spot has gone from the USHL level or the NTDP level (which is sort of inbetween) straight to the NHL. Which is what I said.

    The question with Hughes won't be if he's talented enough, it will be if he's physically matured enough to take the pounding of an NHL season. If that's still a question in one year, a GM may be smart to let him fill out a bit in college or MJ rather than risk bringing him up before he's physically there yet. I'd say 60% he's in the show. 35% he's at MI or MJ. Quinn could have signed for big money this year but didn't. Might indicate that the money isn't the top factor with these kids.

    At best it's 30-1 he could be a Badger. He is Turcotte's roommate at the NTDP and they are close. He wrote this about playing with Caufield the other day:
    "I also had an assist when Cole Caufield and I finished a 2-on-1. We were joking about it because we've seen that goal 10 times already; it's kind of automatic. Cole is an unbelievable player. It's fun to play with a guy like that because he has such a special scoring ability."

    He'd probably love to play another year with those guys. I won't be holding my breath though.
    If lightning strikes and Jack Hughes chooses to play with Caulfield and Turcotte for one more year...holy sheeeeeyat that would be flat out insane.

    Like Heatley-mania x10.

    But in reality iím **** excited for Cole and Alex to light the lamp consistently for UW. I think they could be a couple of Jason Zent type 35 point frosh season guys.

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