115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

Centrist in this country is basically what Obama did and what the Democratic leadership wants:

1. Slightly tweaked Obamacare.
2. A rollback to ~2012 tax rates
3. Assistance for student loans like slightly lower rates and deferments on payments.

Like or not but your ideas, and mine, are considered “extreme” to Democratic leadership. You want to change that, you need a Tea Partyesque movement.

You can't run on any of that. They need something to run on and they need to deliver on something tangible. That list is what you end up with when you don't have the entire Congress, and not what you run on.

[Jimjamesak]

You can't run on any of that. They need something to run on and they need to deliver on something tangible. That list is what you end up with when you don't have the entire Congress, and not what you run on.

I agree with you. Problem is, the Democratic leadership doesn’t. Why? Who knows exactly, I can make a guess. But how do you change that? Well through a grassroots movement that either changes the leadership or forces leadership to change, aka a Tea Party movement. Your problem, it seems to me at least, is you don’t want that because it’s being led by Bernie Sanders.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

I agree with you. Problem is, the Democratic leadership doesn’t. Why? Who knows exactly, I can make a guess. But how do you change that? Well through a grassroots movement that either changes the leadership or forces leadership to change, aka a Tea Party movement. Your problem, it seems to me at least, is you don’t want that because it’s being led by Bernie Sanders.

The epic fail appears to be Perez. Bernie is just a Senator. He's not even a Democrat.

[5mn_Major]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

Centrist in this country is basically what Obama did and what the Democratic leadership wants:

1. Slightly tweaked Obamacare.
2. A rollback to ~2012 tax rates
3. Assistance for student loans like slightly lower rates and deferments on payments.

Like or not but your ideas, and mine, are considered “extreme” to Democratic leadership. You want to change that, you need a Tea Partyesque movement.

Hillary's platform of policy moderation plus inclusiveness was just fine. Based on that, it was in the bank.

Her problem was not her platform nor her experience. Her problem was that she was loaded down with a scandal, the election was interfered with by the Russians/Comey, and the fact that parts of this country are still not ready for a woman president. We need electibility first and foremost - and appealing to the left rather than the middle is not the way to get there.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

Lol, yeah and stadium deals are generally a good deal for taxpayers.

[5mn_Major]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

Lol, yeah and stadium deals are generally a good deal for taxpayers.

Only when it drives direct economic impact greater than its public investment in the first couple years...and additionally is a top driver of over $2B of permanent redevelopment of a depressed part of the city.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

You work at US Bank right? I mean I get the bias but the facts have never been on your side on that one nor are they on this recent discussion.

[5mn_Major]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

You work at US Bank right? I mean I get the bias but the facts have never been on your side on that one nor are they on this recent discussion.

Really? Pls provide any alternate facts or frankly any at all on anything you'd like.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

Yeah sure, polling has shown that you're wrong about how politicians shouldn't be moving to the left. Single payer and free college are popular ideas right now as is marijuana legalization and a host of other progressive issues. The main candidates for 2020 have adopted all of these issues as part of their platform and Booker/Sanders/Gillibrand have proposed a federal jobs guarantee. Also I like how you didn't answer the question lol.

[5mn_Major]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

Yeah sure, polling has shown that you're wrong about how politicians shouldn't be moving to the left. Single payer and free college are popular ideas right now as is marijuana legalization and a host of other progressive issues. The main candidates for 2020 have adopted all of these issues as part of their platform and Booker/Sanders/Gillibrand have proposed a federal jobs guarantee. Also I like how you didn't answer the question lol.

Oh. You mean like the poll of 17 million primary votes for Clinton to 13 million for Sanders? "My view is that the race wasn’t really all that close and that Sanders never really had that much of a chance at winning." - Nate Silver

And that included just democrats. You include independents and this would truly have been a landslide.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

HAHAHAHAHA yeah because that's why Bernie lost. Not surprising that you can't actually refute the actual claims.

[Jimjamesak]

Hillary's platform of policy moderation plus inclusiveness was just fine. Based on that, it was in the bank.

Her problem was not her platform nor her experience. Her problem was that she was loaded down with a scandal, the election was interfered with by the Russians/Comey, and the fact that parts of this country are still not ready for a woman president. We need electibility first and foremost - and appealing to the left rather than the middle is not the way to get there.

It’s thinking like this that’s lead us to where we are today, “everything is fine! It’s just X’s fault we lost!”

No, everything is not fine. Ok, yeah Hilary won the popular vote. Cool. She still lost the election and the Republicans still control the House and Senate. That kind of think isn’t going to get us anywhere.

You establishment Dems need to realize we’re in a war here. The Republicans want to completely destroy any liberal way of governance. We’ve got to fight back, not just try to build a consensus and play nice.

[5mn_Major]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

HAHAHAHAHA yeah because that's why Bernie lost. Not surprising that you can't actually refute the actual claims.

The question is not whether single payer or even free money is popular.

The question is whether someone on the left wing of the democratic party is electable. If not, you give Trump four more years.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

It’s thinking like this that’s lead us to where we are today, “everything is fine! It’s just X’s fault we lost!”

No, everything is not fine. Ok, yeah Hilary won the popular vote. Cool. She still lost the election and the Republicans still control the House and Senate. That kind of think isn’t going to get us anywhere.

You establishment Dems need to realize we’re in a war here. The Republicans want to completely destroy any liberal way of governance. We’ve got to fight back, not just try to build a consensus and play nice.

That and 50% of the country is living in poverty and too desperate and can't just wait on some third way incrementalist approach to their economic/healthcare woes. But the guy who works at US Bank would rather see another his bank get another corporate handout obviously so it's not surprising he feels that way.

[Jimjamesak]

Oh. You mean like the poll of 17 million primary votes for Clinton to 13 million for Sanders? "My view is that the race wasn’t really all that close and that Sanders never really had that much of a chance at winning." - Nate Silver

And that included just democrats. You include independents and this would truly have been a landslide.

Here’s two maps that matter:


And:


Primary numbers don’t matter, the red on those maps do.